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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 20 August 16 08:57 BST (UK) »
Christina is in prison in Woking Surrey on the 1881 census and her age is given as 23 so born c1858 still in Plymouth and recorded as married.

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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 20 August 16 09:07 BST (UK) »
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Christina Montrose June 1/4 1923 Kensington age 68

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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 20 August 16 10:04 BST (UK) »

I know you are searching for her maiden name and it can be infuriating when people find information off at tangents, but have you seen the newspaper article about the conviction of Christina Montrose, aged 58, in 1913?

It makes interesting reading. Especially the last bit where:

"The Chief-Constable said prisoner's record of convictions went back as far as 1877, and she had served seven years' penal servitude. Her last conviction was in October, 1911, when she was sentenced to 18 months' hard labour for stealing boots, clothing, etc. There was no doubt she was a habitual criminal. Accused was sentenced to six months' hard labour."

("SERVANT'S THEFTS - Bad Case at Exeter", Exeter and Plymouth Gazette 16 October 1913, p. 3, bottom of Column 2)

That sentence must have been tough at age 58. And notice that her first conviction was the year that Alice was born. It must have been a very tough year for her.

Anyway, given she was not exactly on the straight and narrow, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the information in her various records could be fabricated. 

Sorry for going at a tangent, but I find such background information very useful when trying to understand motivations and behaviours of our ancestors - especially the ones with brick walls.

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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 20 August 16 10:12 BST (UK) »
Hi, yes have found various articles on her being in prison  :-\   Have also found where she worked which is why I cant understand why she would steal.  There are gaps in her life namely from 1855 - 1877 as to where she was.  Have checked on 1861 and 1871 census but cant find her.
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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 20 August 16 10:13 BST (UK) »
Christina may well have been known to the authorities before 1877 - a newspaper report of her being charged with theft at Birkenhead in November 1877 describes her as an "old offender".  She was sentenced to 12 months imprisonment at trial for this offence in January 1878.

The 7 year sentence was given for different offences of theft later in 1878.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 20 August 16 10:49 BST (UK) »

Where was her daughter, Alice, while Christina was in prison? Do you have Alice's census records? Sorry, haven't time to check as my son is wanting to go to bed and I have to rush off. But finding this very interesting. Will try to come back later to see what everyone has found.

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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 20 August 16 10:52 BST (UK) »
Alice, aged 3, is in Wirral Union workhouse in 1881.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 20 August 16 10:58 BST (UK) »
Her prison records on FindMyPast give her husband as Alfred Montrose of 30 Birkett Street, St Ann Street, Liverpool and say she is 22 years and 1 month old (1879).
Also in 1879 FindMyPast has an Old Bailey Trial record for an Alfred Montrose who was a prisoner in Coldbath Fields House of Correction having been sent down for 6 months for obtaining a situation by false character. He was called as a witness to an assault on a prison warder.
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Re: tracing a relative without a maiden name
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 20 August 16 11:10 BST (UK) »
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There aren't many births of girls called Christina/Christiana in Plymouth district in the 1850s. One of them is Christiana Scawn born 1855 Oct-Dec. There's no marriage for her on FreeBMD.

Just to check her out in 1861 Christina Scawn 5 is with parents James 28 & Eliza 25 in East Stonehouse Devon.

Can't find them in 1871 but she is not at home in 1881 - further children all born Devonport by 1881 are
Edward J 16
Alfred 9
Tryphena 4
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