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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #297 on: Friday 14 October 16 22:20 BST (UK) »
This may have been posted before, but I'm losing track.

Morning Advertiser 18 August 1830
BREWING Utensils - To be sold a capital Ten-bushel Mash-tub, a square Cooler and Under-back, a quantity of 63, 36, 30 and 18 gallon Casks, a capital Narrow-wheel Cart with chain sides, light and very strong, three large Sugar baskets - the above will be sold cheap. Apply to Richard Gibson No, 71 Blackfriars Road

Richard Gibson of Newcastle/Selby/Little Britain would have been close to 70 by 1830, but thought it worth mentioning for the connection to brewing.

Edited:  Seems this Richard Gibson was a grocer - he petitioned for the bankruptcy of Henry Gilbert, Grocer & Tea Dealer per Perry's Bankrupt Gazette 23 October 1828.  Also petitioned against Christopher Morris in 1820.

Thanks Claire and Jomot

B 3/2066
In the matter of Richard Gibson of Great Surrey Street, Southwark, Surrey, grocer (dealer and chapman), bankrupt.
Date of commission of bankruptcy: 16 April 1830
G43/80
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C478183

1830 is still within 25 year file retention period of 1810 and if this Grocer is the same Richard Gibson, it might contain some goodies from the previous file, although I can't be that fortunate, can I.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oTJKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA561&lpg=PA561&dq=1830+Commision+of+Bankruptcy+Richard+Gibson&source=bl&ots=5Wl2OjIif4&sig=kBKff11hjf_uUa2_YAOus3NTXos&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRhs2-ktvPAhWFCsAKHYktB-cQ6AEIHTAA
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Here is another Gibson (if one business has caused the other to go bankrupt) we'll check next time ...

B 3/2652
In the matter of William Hogarth Gibson of 3 Saville Row, Walworth, Surrey, warehouseman, bankrupt.
Date of commission of bankruptcy: 29 May 1807
G28/66
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C478769

Regards Mark

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #298 on: Saturday 15 October 16 00:33 BST (UK) »
B 3/2066
In the matter of Richard Gibson of Great Surrey Street, Southwark, Surrey, grocer (dealer and chapman), bankrupt.
Date of commission of bankruptcy: 16 April 1830
G43/80
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C478183

Richard Gibson, Grocer of Great Surrey Street was baptising children in Southwark from around 1815, so too young to be Richard from Selby.  He in turn may have been baptised 21 May 1785 at Rotherhithe, the son of Richard & Ann Gibson. 

One or other of these may have become involved with a Robert Bolton who was also made bankrupt.  The Hull Packet 12 April 1833 refers to Robert Bolton formerly residing at New Street, Kennington, Surrey, then Ocean Place Hull, then Junction Street and also Market Place Hull, "aforesaid carrying on business with RICHARD GIBSON under the firm of  GIBSON AND BOLTON as Grocers and tea dealers".  Also carried on a business with a Thomas Newsom.  The article states he (Bolton) was in Fleet Prison, and coincidentally there is a Rd Gibson aged 75 in Fleet prison in 1841, but states born in county. 

A few years earlier a Robert Bolton, spice and coffee dealer, had been sent to prison for 2-years for insurance fraud, and the Evening Mail of 18 January 1828 briefly mentions a Richard Gibson as a witness.
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #299 on: Saturday 15 October 16 09:57 BST (UK) »
Richard and Eleanor had a few children, but from the baptism of his daughter Elizabeth in 1800

Elizabeth daughter of Richard Gibson of Selby Cooper, son of THOMAS GIBSON of Hall's Gates near Newcastle labourer, and by Elizabeth his wife daughter of --- Brown of Bedlington, Northumberland

So looking for a Richard Gibson born c 1766 near Newcastle son of Thomas and Elizabeth.

EDIT:

Elianor daughter of Leonard Colbert, woodman of Selby, by Elianor his wife daughter of Matthew Lofthouse of Seathingwell in the parish of Saxon, farmer.

John Brown apparently linked to George Hood of Langthorp?

Newcastle Journal, 2nd May 1846

BOROUGHBRIDGE
Lot 1. All that Spacious and Valuable Messuage, with the Shops, Warehouses, Salt Depot, Stable, Cowhouse, Out-Offices, Yard, and Garden thereto, upon which Premises an extensive Grocery and Drapery business has been carried on for a great many Years by Mr John Brown, and his Predeccessors, Mr Smith, Mr Dew, and Mr Scruton.

[description of other Lots] ...

   The above Property, eligibly situate in Boroughbridge, is now in the Occupation of the Assignees of Mr John Brown, and is Freehold of Inheritance.
   Further particulars may be obtained of Mr George Hood, of Langthorp; Mr Henry Burton of Newton upon Ouse; or at the Office of Mr Hirst, Solicitor, Boroughbridge, Yorkshire.


Seem to recall that John Brown had Assigned a property to George Hood after money trouble, but the property advertised "is Freehold of Inheritance."

However, advertisement says the property "is Freehold of Inheritance.", if George Hood of Langthorp, had a family connection to John Brown and John Brown was family of the Brown in Claire's quote above, then George Hood of Langthorp could be linked?


One Law book p.66 in the link seemed vague  ...

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SidMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=%22Freehold+of+Inheritance%22&source=bl&ots=N6plMXmvr8&sig=iEZyLceBR0IH7a3qQTiWN2px4LI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi04fHMtNzPAhWsD8AKHeotA9cQ6AEIJzAE

Case ...

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=E2MwAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA359&lpg=PA359&dq=%22Freehold+of+Inheritance%22&source=bl&ots=LMH0ziY72k&sig=pXSd8r6qfzTPDgJQl87Yd27hp1w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi04fHMtNzPAhWsD8AKHeotA9cQ6AEILjAH

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #300 on: Saturday 15 October 16 13:00 BST (UK) »
Hi

Found this in The Newcastle Guardian ... 5th December 1863 ...

At Sanitary row, on the 29th ult., aged 85, Mr. William Hood.
(Birth circa 1778)

Can't see this William Hood in the 1863 & 1864 Probate Calendars.

Do the earlier Census confirm if he was born Newcastle and any burial information, please?

If born Newcastle he might be around the 24 Jan 1779 Newcastle All Saints Bapt., of William son of John Hood, the Wat'n?

If he is, and the burial does not reveal anything, I'm considering ordering the Death Certificate, to see if a descendant was present at death?

Regards Mark

EDIT: I've been thinking, even if this William Hood was baptised Newcastle in January 1779, father John Hood, Waterman, unless William was born out of wedlock, John Hood, mariner and Elizabeth Gibson did not marry at Newcastle until 15th December 1779.

So it seems that there are two John Hoods, one a Waterman and the other John Hood, a Mariner, at least.

Therefore, even if William Hood (d.1863, aged 85) was born Newcastle and a traceable descendant was present at death, it seems there were two John Hoods at Newcastle at least, late 1770s.

The Northumberland IGI at our Library indicates a John Hood married Mary Starling 18 April 1779 Newcastle All Saints, so perhaps he was the Waterman, or later the Victualler/ Publican?

It highlights the need for us to come up to the Archives and check a few things out.

A Robert Hood and Mary of Newcastle, were likely Independent because daughter Jane Hood was baptised at the Postern Street Independent, so the John Hood (likely a 3rd John Hood) buried at Ballast Hills (Dissenters Cemetery) was probably linked to their family.

John Hoods are like buses, you wait ages for 1, then 3 come at once.


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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #301 on: Saturday 15 October 16 19:17 BST (UK) »
John Hood son of John Hood baptized  12 Dec 1745  Gateshead, Durham, England
   
 
John Wood x Isabella Siddeway marriage 12 February 1786/7 Gateshead, Durham, England----- ?
 
John Wood X Margt. Maddison marriage 4 March 1777 Gateshead, Durham, England ------- ?

George son of John Hood baptized  1 Oct 1786/7  Gateshead, Durham, England

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #302 on: Saturday 15 October 16 19:49 BST (UK) »
Found this in The Newcastle Guardian ... 5th December 1863 ...

At Sanitary row, on the 29th ult., aged 85, Mr. William Hood.
(Birth circa 1778)

I cant seem to find a Sanitary Row in the 1861, or even the 1871.  However, in 1861 there is a William HEAD aged 60, Retired Seaman, born Scotland.  Listed as the Uncle of Hannah Innass  - RG9/3827/64/12

On Ancestry someone has added the following correction:

William Hood rather than William Head
Correction due to an error in transcription.

Family name is Hood not Head. Hannah Inness' mother's maiden name. Hannah Inness is also living with William Hood in Chatham Pl Ncle 1841


The 1841 lists him as William Hood, 60 (again!), Mariner, Born in County - Yes  :-X

Forgot to mention - both addresses are within the parish of All Saints.
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #303 on: Saturday 15 October 16 20:23 BST (UK) »
Possible for 1851 -  HO107/2407/180/32

William Hood, Head, 70, Born Berwick, Sailor (but could be Tailor)
William Robertson, 47, Born Berwick, Sailor. Relationship to head left blank.

The enumerator has made a bit of a mess of the married / unmarried column, but it looks to me like both are unmarried.
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #304 on: Saturday 15 October 16 21:15 BST (UK) »
Hannah's husband was John Inness.

March qtr 1841, Gateshead - 1841 John Inness & (possible partner) Hannah Robertson
3 Aug 1801, All Saints, Newcastle - William Robertson m Eleanor Hood

Baptisms of various children:
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MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby- 1800 trade directory a Cooper Wren lane Selby
« Reply #305 on: Sunday 16 October 16 00:37 BST (UK) »
I was checking Hood's living with Gibson's or Richardson's or Gilchrist's in censuses on in the Hull area on Familysearch the other night. A lone woman age 77  Hood b Baxby in the household of one of the surnames above but can't remember census year ) Hood in one of the household born Baxby or Bagby living in Hull area. ( (not mis-transcribed -both are parish names near Thirsk)

Put a Surname of above surnames in search box and put Hood in the other persons box (leave first name box blank)

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&region=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

Familysearch is best for primary search first, as more info comes up on one page with transcribed info boxes -birth place-address and occupation etc, than FindMyPast And Ancestry singular box  family first  transcribed census box first of box info (Just saves time)

Then refine findings on FindMyPast -Ancestry for original views.

Also check
Gibson's with Gilchrist
Richardson's with [b]Gilchrist or [/b]Gibson's etc or any other combination

Have Ancestry website  (free-this weekend) up on another page ready

Also do full all records of an occupation search with surname only on Ancestry website and not just censuses

James Hood X Jane Gilchrist

marriage



29 July 1816

Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England

Berwick boarders Scotland

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Coincidence ?

John Hood  X  Jane Corbett     
     27 Mar 1797   
  Saint Nicholas, Colchester, Essex (?), England


Robert Atkinson X Martha Hood Married Gateshead 27 July 1828

Mary Jane daughter of Richard and Martha Atkinson 21 July 1829 baptized Gateshead

1841c
Stourbridge in Gateshead
John Hood 70 born not in county (?)
Jane Hood 72 born not in county (?)
Mary Jane Atkinson 12 born in county

1851c
Martha Atkinson    48 Haydon Bridge, Northumberland
Jane Hood  Mother F 80 Haydon Bridge, Northumberland (?)
John Atkinson   Son M 20 Gateshead, Durham - Occ, a Moulder
 Jane H Atkinson   Daughter F 19 Gateshead, Durham
 Charlotte Atkinson   Daughter F 14 Gateshead, Durham
 Isabella Corbett   Servant F 18 Shilbottle, Northumberland

(This family sound working class, therefore  so Isabella Corbett more likely a relative visitor, helping out with house work etc)


https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6S-W4T

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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth