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Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« on: Friday 02 September 16 14:25 BST (UK) »
I have an antique oil painting with no artists signature but has a wax seal on back of canvas, can anyone please help me identify this Shield? Many thanks

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Re: Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« Reply #1 on: Friday 02 September 16 14:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian and welcome to Rootschat...what part of the country was the painting from and what does it depict?...this could be a Family seal which might be difficult to identify. I didn't find a google image match for it.
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Re: Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« Reply #2 on: Friday 02 September 16 14:47 BST (UK) »
Hi thanks for your reply, the painting is called 'The Violinist' and was originally attributed to Raphael. I have consulted a fine art specialist who thinks this may be a victorian copy, and the wax seal could possibly be the artists, as they would use this method to mend a hole in the canvas, or it could be the stretcher whom stretched the canvas to the frame, or possibly a collector. The painting was given to me by a family friend around 15 years ago, I believe it came from Berkshire. Unfortunately it has sustained some damage by my young niece and nephew and I am trying to ascertain it's provenance to decide if it is viable to restore. I have uploaded a photo of the painting with this post....

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Re: Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 September 16 14:56 BST (UK) »
Oh how lovely  :o and so worth saving...thanks for sharing...is that the date on the bottom right hand corner?

For those not familiar with Raphael's work;

http://antiqueoilpainting.name/antique_renaissance_violinist_portrait_oil_painting_raphael_old_master_style.html


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Re: Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 September 16 15:11 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for your interest, yes the date equates to 1518 in Romania numerals. This has been a roller coaster quest to investigate this painting, the art specialist mistakenly concluded it was a print which was hugely disappointing, he then got a second opinion that proved actually it is an original oil painting. I have spent so many hours of research on the internet trying to decipher the wax seal, but to no avail, quite frustrating!  ???

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Re: Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 September 16 15:13 BST (UK) »
Sorry 'Roman' numerals - flaming dictionary!

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Re: Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« Reply #6 on: Friday 02 September 16 15:14 BST (UK) »
Bookmarking for interest  ;)

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Re: Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« Reply #7 on: Friday 02 September 16 15:39 BST (UK) »
Interesting!

The coat-of-arms has 4 separate parts, all impaled (side by side).
It was usual for a wife's arms to be impaled with those of her husband.

Could this be an impalement, impaled by another impalement?!

The 4 parts appear to show:
1. A saltire, with a fleur-de-lys in chief, and a sword in base.
2. A lion rampant, with a fesse over.
3. <can't make this out! maybe a pear?!>
4. 3 lions rampant

The shield is surmounted by a coronet of 4 strawberry-leaves, but I can't find any examples of such a coronet?
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Re: Help needed pls to identify origins of wax seal
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 September 16 15:49 BST (UK) »
My apologies to the artist  ;D

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