Bauer - Scheifler - Mildenberger - Pork butchers germany to england

[Allypallypalson]

I am trying to research my family history with a mystery! 
Hello
The mystery is the differing surnames of father Chis SCHEIFLER and son John BAUER.  Chris is listed as Johns father not only on John’s marriage certificate but in a family bible [which is not in my possession but my sister did see it in the bible of a distant relative when she first started researching our family tree back in the 1980’s with pen and paper.  She cant remember which relative it was who had the bible but suffice to say that person will now be deceased].  The information I have below is all I can get, although the census states where John was born and I have his dob I cannot find out John’s birth information or any information predating his wedding.  John changed their surname from bauer to bower somewhere after the 1891 census and before the 1901 census and on 1901 he is now listed as a British subject. I don’t speak or read german.   I have been researching my family tree for what must be well over 20 years and have it all logged on a website but when it comes to this branch of the family I’m stuck and wondered if anyone can offer advice on how to proceed from here.
John Bower’s dob 16/6/1863 & dod 13/3/1928
place of birth Lipfersberg, Baden, Wurttemberg, Germany
Date of marriage to Lina MILDENBERGER : 8/8/1886
Place of marriage St Johns Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne

Information on marriage certificate
groom name: John Bauer age: 23 occupation: Pork Butcher
Father: Christopher Scheifler, Pork Butcher

bride name: Lina Mildenberger, age 20
Father: Martin Mildenberger, Farmer
Witnesses:
Leonhardt Mildenberger
Alice Catherine O Brian

There were 10 children all born in England one of which was my grandfather

Abodes in uk
1891    Sommerset Place, Gateshead, Durham, England
1901    Frank Terrace, Gateshead
1911    Bridge Crest Benwell, Northumberland, England

Children:
Emily L Bower 1888
John Frederick 1889
George William 1891
George John 1895
John George 1897
Wilhelemina Magdaline 1899
Charles Edwin 1902
Beatrice Lilly 1905
Eva Bower 1907
Barbara Sylvia 1910

[AMBLY]

Hi Allypallypalson

When John BAUER married Lina, what address did he marry from?

Have you seen/investigated this man - not a father perhaps (too young?), but could be a half-brother, or other relative for example?

1883: Kelly's Directory 1883
SCHEIFLER, Christopher, Pork Butcher, 295 Westgate Road, Newcastle

1881: 295 Westgate Road, Northumberland
Head: Christopher SCHIEFLAR 30, Pork Butcher, b Lepfersberg, Germany
Wife: Amelia SHIEFLAR 33, b Kresburg, Germany
____: William G MOFFITT 42, wid, Shopman Flour Dealers, b Northumberland

Then found this decade old forum post:
http://boards.ancestry.ca/localities.britisles.england.nbl.general/4200.1/mb.ashx

Which indicated:

DEATH:
Christopher  SCHAUFLER age, 38 , 1894 reg Tynemouth.

MARRIAGE: when John & Lina married 1886, the Northumberland Historical Indexex list 1886 Marriages of:
Lina Mildenberger
John Scheifler
John Bauer
https://registrarscertificates.newcastle.gov.uk/Process/Certificate/Search.aspx

Which is likely to be the one couple, with John listing both surnames. Is there nothing on the actual marriage cert that indicates John uses both surnames?

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Still in lateral thinking....

This is likely to be the 1881 Christopher SCHEIFLER's widow:

1894: Kelly's Directory Pork Butchers, Northumberland
Mrs Amelia SHENFLER, 125 Church Street, Walker, R.S.O.
George SCHENFLER, 71 City Road, Newcastle

CENSUS 1891:
RG12 - Piece 4231 /Folio 90 /Pg 62
127 & 125 Church Street, Walker, Longbenton
Head: Amelia SCHEUFLER 45, widow, Pork Butcher, b Germany
Son: George SCHEUFLER 21, unm, Butcher, b Germany

And their son:
MARRIAGE: Jun Qtr 1893
George SCHEUFLER
Katherine TRUCKENMUELLER

1901: 32 Glue House Lane, Elswick, Northumberland
RG13 Piece 4770 \Folio 168\ Pg 40
Head: George SHYFLER 31, Pork Butcher, b Germany, German Subject
Wife: Katerine SHYFLER 31, b Germany
Son: Frederick SHYFLER 2 mths, b Newcastle on Tyne

CENSUS 1911: Need to look up Amelia (we can't do 1911 look ups here on RC). Can't find her in 1901, either - but I think this is her death:

DEATH 1918:
Amelia E SCHEUFLER  age 72,  Re: South Shields Co Durham

And possibly  the marriage of a daughter (this Rosina is likel to be the same Rosina SCHENFLER a Servant working in Northumberland in 1891, age 18).
MARRIAGE: Mar Qtr 1897
Rossine SCHEUFLER
Cristian RUSS

If you search on Family Search for:
Name: Scheufler
Event: Birth,
Place: Lipfersberg,
Event Range: 1840-1890,
Country:Germany

There's a number of results - but not clear leads 

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

This Marriage is proably quite a lead - looking for any connection to the name BAUER:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D5T-WK2
Christopher Sheifler
Ernestina Emilia Feuaen
Married Dec Qtr 1879, Newcastle on Tyne

freeBMD list her as FEURER, which is probably more likely. Could be a maiden name, or it could be a former married name.

Cheers AMBLY

[Allypallypalson]

Hi Ambly

First and foremost thanks for your assistance and i should apologize as i have all the information about Chris Schielfer above and his wife, son, grandchildren his family, and George's internment in war etc, I did a lot of research as when I first found him on the census i thought his age was 39 not 30 and carried on to do lots of research into him adding him and his family into my tree as John's father but unfortunately upon further research [death] I realized that he had been 30 not 39 therefore unable to father John at the age of 12!  I have kept Chris and his family in my tree as I feel certain they are related i just need to work out how! The post you highlighted above is my own post from 10 years ago, unfortunately i have been researching for around 15 to 20 years not getting anywhere but a contact pointed me to this website and i thought i would try again. [The person who responded in that link you gave from 2006 above suggested Amelia as Johns mother and perhaps 'bauer' was her maiden name but this is not so as her maiden name was 'feurer' as i have Chris and Ameila's marriage certificate too and her name is Ernestine Emeila Feurer, changed to Amelia to anglicize it i guess].

I really do appreciate all the hard work you did above doing this research and feel stupid that i didnt think to put it in the original message above

I dont know why i discounted the information below at the time, as i had not made a note of why i discounted it at that time, i am more careful after all these years to make notes of all information so hopefully that would not happen now.  I wonder if it was because i have the marriage certificate and the only Schiefler listed on it is Chris Schiefler, pork butcher, Father of John Bauer and no listing for 'john schiefler'! i wonder where they found the information about the 3 names together for the marriage as it definitely isnt on the certificate. [the link i think just takes you to order the certificate and i have this already].
MARRIAGE: when John & Lina married 1886, the Northumberland Historical Indexex list 1886 Marriages of:
Lina Mildenberger
John Scheifler
John Bauer
https://registrarscertificates.newcastle.gov.uk/Process/Certificate/Search.aspx

I really appreciate all the hard work you did with this research and feel terrible to have put you to this bother when i already had information about Chris and his wife which could be related to John in fact probably are related to John i just need to work out how [possibly half brothers].  ##

In posting on the website i guess i was hoping to get information about when John arrived in Uk as i cannot find that and his parents/birth/siblings, as if i discount Chris above then there is another Chris Schiefler somewhere who is the father of John and i am hoping to eventually find it.

Once again Amby thank you for your hard work and i will re-read what you have said to ensure i have not missed anything.

regards
Allypallypalson

[Allypallypalson]

Hi

I'm not sure if this worked but i attached a screen shot of John n Lina's marriage certificate.

[Svenja]

Hi

You said John was a british subject in 1901, so have you searched for his naturalisation papers at the National Archives?

Do you have both the documents from findmypast and the documents from the red cross database about internment in war?

I think there are two possibilities why there are different names of the father and the son:

A Mr. Bauer was the real father of John Bauer and Chris Scheufler/Scheifler was the step-father.
Or Chris Scheufler/Scheifler was the real father of John Bauer and Mr. Bauer was the step-father.

You mentioned a dob and pob for John Bauer, so you could search for his baptism in Germany.

Lipfersberg belongs zu Ingelfingen, here you see where you can find the churchbooks.
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Ingelfingen

Regards
Svenja

[Allypallypalson]

Thank you Svenja for your response.

Unfortunately I have spent hours trying to translate the pages on the link you attached when trying to search for a birth for John Bauer 16/6/1863. I cant read or speak German and therefore end up trying google translate and not finding the correct place to search and when I use the search on top left i get lots of responses but have no idea what they mean.

I did try searching in the National Archives but drew a blank there as well.  I am heading into Newcastle upon Tyne tomorrow to go through their archives again to double check the information i have on John and Lina's marriage certificate.

thanks for your response if i can find someone who can help me with the translations i will go back on that website.

regards and thanks
allypallypalson

[Svenja]

Hi

You don't need a translation of the whole Website in the link I gave you.
You only need to know the following things which are mentionned on the website:

The lutheran evangelic churchbooks are on microfilm in the Landeskirchlichen Archiv Stuttgart (Archives of the lutheran evangelic church in Württemberg).
Many of these churchbooks are also available online on Archion, but as I'm not a member of Archion, I don't know if the ones of Lipfersberg-Ingelfinden are already there. But it is planned that the scans of all lutheran parishes in Württemberg should be online until the end of the year 2016.

https://www.archion.de/en/search/

You will find the catholic churchbooks in the Staatsarchiv in Ludwigsburg.

Regards
Svenja