Capper Family Tree

[Debbie Palleson]

Hi Jill,

The Sarah Jane Capper probably is the daughter of John and Jane Capper because Sarah was born 1850 according to the Census.  Obviously she never married and she had her mother's name as her middle name.

I've just had a look at where John died, it says - death place Wrexham, Denbighshire (19 Nov. 1888) but if you look under the Wills, Registry is St. Asaph, John Capper late of Tai near Black Lion Brymbo in the county of Denbighshire.  It seems to me that Denbighshire encompasses quite an area.  John and Jane according to the records, should be buried in Wrexham but that could be anywhere as well.

[Debbie Palleson]

Hi again Jill,

I've had a look at the Denbigh Burials and yes it states - Parish Brymbo.  Does this mean, John and Jane are buried in Brymbo?

[jillrose]

Hi Debbie

The burials of both John and Jane are listed in the Wrexham Parish Burial Register so I would expect them to have been buried within that parish, which is a separate one from Brymbo at that time.  John was buried from 4 Cutlers Entry off Charles Street, and Jane's abode at the time of her burial just listed as Cutlers Entry.  Their son John (general dealer and later fishmonger) and his family also lived in Cutler's Entry, possibly the same house.  Do you have their death certificates to see who was present at the deaths?

The John Copper/Capper (1871 Census) visiting the Jones family in Llanycil must be your ancestor.
Jane was buried on 7 February 1871 and the census taken on the night of 2nd April so John was visiting them very soon after he lost his wife. Surely they must be close relatives of hers? David and Ellin/Ellinor's daughter Sarah was born in Ruabon 1843 (but not baptised there), again another pointer to a connection with Wrexham. 

I can see from the Rootschat correspondence that several members have already put in a lot of work on this rather complicated case! 

Cutlers Entry features quite a lot in the history of the Capper family in Wrexham and for this reason I have typed it in Bold against the entries on my website.  You  might like to take another look as I have now filled in all the details from the parish registers in Denbighshire where the Capper name occurs.  Apart from the very early registers it is pretty well blanket coverage.   The marriages for John & Jane and John & Sarah do not appear so it is likely that they took place in London.  It is a possibility that John and Jane had a civil marriage (ie post 1837) but this does not appear on the NorthWalesBMD site.

The 1861 Edge, Whitchurch connection where John is described as a 'hawker' is a bit tenuous. I thought Edge was in South Cheshire (not far from Whitchurch) - a very small place where my great-grandmother was on a farm in her early working years.    There are Cappers in Cheshire and from a time-wise point of view the early Cappers in this area seem to be have originated in Cheshire.

To sum up I think the Jones Llanycil family are worth further investigation but, of course, that may not really help with the Cappers.

Hope some of this helps.

Jill

[Debbie Palleson]

Hi Jill,

I do have the Death Certificate for John and the person who was present was his son John.  John Copper/Capper would definitely be my 3rd GG.  possibly whoever was taking down information for the 1871 Census spelt Capper wrong or the accent could have been another reason.  David and Ellinor,  I am pretty positive would have been Jane's relations.  The marriage entry for John and Jane is an ongoing saga.  I have looked on the sight for St. Giles Church in Wrexham but still no marriage entry.  I even contacted Wrexham Archives but they couldn't find anything straight away and suggested I might like to pay someone to do some research.  I seem to have lost count as to how many sights I have actually looked for a marriage entry.  I seem to think that, maybe, the area where John and Jane married (if they ever did) hasn't been transcribed yet.

When John and Jane moved from London after the 1851 Census was taken, it looks as though they lived in Wolverhampton for a time and then moved to Wrexham.  One of my 3 GG son's Edward Henry Capper worked on the railways there and later met his wife Emma Susannah Bishop who was from Staffordshire.  These two came to New Zealand eventually.  It seems to me that John, because of his trade, had to move around where he thought he could sell his feathers/flowers in a better location.  I am all for travelling but in a sightseeing way.  Unfortunately for me, trying to research my family is harder.  Had my ancestors stayed in one spot, research might have been easier.

I will have a look at the details for the parish registers for Denbighshire and let you know if something stands out.  Thank you.

[jillrose]

Hello Debbie

Hopefully you've been able to access my website?  Have just added a  bit more information concerning the people mentioned in the 1841 census.   You'll find this under my CAPPER reference 53 Wrexham.

Jill
clwydsurnames.org.uk

[Debbie Palleson]

Hi Jill,

I have been able to access your website.  I have had a look under Capper reference 53 Wrexham which I am familiar with the information given.  I wish I didn't have such a complicated, although it probably isn't, family to do research on.

[ScouseBoy]

There are now 22 counties in Wales,  since re-organisation of the county boundaries in 1994.

So just take into account how boundaries have  varied over the last 100  years,  I suggest.

[wilcoxon]

I can`t get on to Jill`s site either.

[wilcoxon]

I can`t get on to Jill`s site either.

I just get "Hello World!" in the corner or if I use a link to the key page -  then  404 - File or directory not found.
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