Trying to trace family of Butcher living at 23 Dungiven rd waterside circa 1911

[Alex4france]

Thank you so much for all your hard work ! This is indeed my grandpa Joseph who was born in 1896! I will have to try and find my Grandma Florence nee McLaughlin now........I am really struggling to find any birth records of their children.....and I don't know why! My only living relatives cannot find their birth certificates as they have dementia ( my aunt and uncle) we have to apply for power of attorney to deal with their affairs but have no evidence we are related ! All were born in Londonderry and I have 4/5 birth dates ......I do so appreciate your help!

[anne_p]

I couldn't find a marrige between Joseph and Florence but, you have just stated that Florence's last name was McLaughlin.

There is a 1926 marriage, registered in Derry for  Joseph Butcher and CATHERINE McLoughlin.
You would need to look at the marriage to see if her name was Catherine Florence or any other clues that could show Catherine and Florence to be the same person

M/1926/X1/2640/10/187   Joseph   Butcher   McLoughlin   12th July 1926   Derry
M/1926/X1/2640/10/187   Catherine   McLoughlin   Butcher   12th July 1926   Derry

[aghadowey]

Birth for a Catherine Florence McLaughlin 1900 Londonderry-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBVF-J35

Two possible births from GRONI-
Catherine McLaughlin, 4 July 1900, mother- Carlin
Catherine McLaughlin, 28 Aug.1900, mother- O'Neill

Added- a Kathleen Florence in 1901 (GRONI also had a Kathleen listed which I didn't post)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Waterside/Fountain_Hill/1540334/
same family in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_No__5_Urban/Ashcroft_Place/605742

[aghadowey]

... I am really struggling to find any birth records of their children.....and I don't know why! My only living relatives cannot find their birth certificates as they have dementia ( my aunt and uncle) we have to apply for power of attorney to deal with their affairs but have no evidence we are related ! All were born in Londonderry and I have 4/5 birth dates ......I do so appreciate your help!

If the parents were married in 1926 then none of the birth certificates for their children will be online and you will need to order them from GRONI.

Are you in a position to check any papers that might be in their home? clues to look for (if you can)- address books and personal letters which might give addresses (especially old ones), mass cards (tucked away in Bible or prayer book), old photos, etc.

[anne_p]

The sale of 23 Dungiven Road in 1942 was arranged BY the executors of Mrs McLaughlin's estate

Aghadowey already posted this showing a potential for Florence
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Waterside/Fountain_Hill/1540334/

A will on Proni shows that the mother on this census died 26 Oct 1941 at 34 Violet Street, Waterside
The executor is the daughter from the census named Alice Josephine ( married name McElhinny)

Clutching at straws here
Was this Margaret McLaughlin the mother of Florence and  owned the house at 23 Dunvigen Street ?

[anne_p]

William McLaughlin, husband of  this Margaret McLaughlin died at 34 Violet Street on 22 Sep 1938

Cross checking childrens names  on  1911 census against births on Groni, this is the family of William McLaughlin and Margaret CARLIN who married in Derry 28 Apr 1892

A birth of 4 Jul 1900 for a Catherine Florence McLaughlin has already been identified by Aghadowey

As per both death announcements for William and Margaret, the McLaughlin family church was St Columbs, Waterside 

[gerrycass]

Hi Alex firstly can I wish you well in your search and I will starting having a look for you. We are related through the Butcher line as my great gran mother was Mary Butcher who was Josephs older sister. I do have information on the Josephs mum and would be happy to share. Please feel free to Private message me if you need me to do anything locally as I still live in the Derry area

Gerry