Isabella Summerbell?

[hilarykellis]

Hi all,

I am stuck on my ancestor Isabella Summerbell Arkle - can't find her parents, siblings, etc.

She was born circa 1779 (per 1851 census) or 1781 (per 1841 census). She died March 1853 in Elsdon, Northumberland, where she lived in 1841 and 1851.

She was married to Christopher Arkle, son of John Arkle and Isabel Armorer, in Elsdon on 7 April 1805. I don't have the full record so I don't know banns or license, witnesses' names, etc. They had two children that I'm aware of: Elizabeth and Isabella.

I can't find any possible baptism for Isabel - Summerbell seems like a really unusual name, but I don't find anyone with her name born around the right time...

Further confusing me, 1851 census says Isabella was born in Hole, Northumberland, which doesn't seem to exist??

Any help is gratefully received!

[KGarrad]

From FamilySearch:

Christening 1st January 1778 at Stannington, Northumberland
Isabella Sumerbell, daughter of Jonathan & Eleanor Sumerbell


With regards to the 1841 census, please remember that adult ages (i.e those over 15) were rounded down to a multiple of 5 years.
So her stated age of 60 on that census means she could have been any age from 60 to 64

[Gadget]

Further confusing me, 1851 census says Isabella was born in Hole, Northumberland, which doesn't seem to exist??

Any help is gratefully received!

Hi 

Hole is near to Bellingham:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=386840&y=584725&z=120&sv=386840,584725&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=620&ax=386840&ay=584725&lm=0


Gadget

[fiddlerslass]

From familysearch all christened at Elsdon NBL to Christopher ARKLE & Isabella

Elizabeth 1805
Isabella born 1807 chr 1816
Sarah chr 1809
Mary Chr 1812
John chr 1816

If you can see a copy of the original (It is not on familysearch unfortunately), at either NBL county Record Office or at a LDS family history centre, the christenings up to 1812 should give more detail on the native parishes of the parents. Sometimes you can even find grandparents names. This applies to all Durham & NBL parishes between 1798 and 1812 which are known as the Barrington period after the Bishop who called for more detailed records to be kept. Burial records for the same years are also more detailed and worth seeking out.

Here is the Bishop's Transcript of the Stannington baptism found by KGarrad

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-642B-4Z?i=26&wc=9K53-16X%3A13617901%2C30647501%2C30647502%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819

The place is Milkup

There is no mention of a marriage licence in the index so I assume they married by banns, but a Christopher ARKLE of Billsmoor Foot, Elsdon was a bondsman for the marriage by licence of Eleanor ARKLE to William SNOWDON

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZ89-ZH2?i=54&wc=MLVD-L2C%3A165410601%2C165410602%2C165412401%3Fcc%3D1840743&cc=1840743

The bond

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6Q9X-RB?i=981&wc=M6KL-X2S%3A129240801%2C129240802%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690

[Gadget]

Just to add a word of caution about the Stanington baptism - Stannington is quite a way from Elson or Hole. It's closer to Morpeth.

Gadget

[hilarykellis]

Thanks so much for finding these other baptisms. Eleanor Arkle was Christopher Arkle's sister, so makes sense that he was a bondsman.

I guess I will have to find these baptisms at an IGI center ... I founda book of Elsdon baptisms on Google books but for whatever reason, I don't see these baptisms transcribed therein.

From familysearch all christened at Elsdon NBL to Christopher ARKLE & Isabella

Elizabeth 1805
Isabella born 1807 chr 1816
Sarah chr 1809
Mary Chr 1812
John chr 1816

If you can see a copy of the original (It is not on familysearch unfortunately), at either NBL county Record Office or at a LDS family history centre, the christenings up to 1812 should give more detail on the native parishes of the parents. Sometimes you can even find grandparents names. This applies to all Durham & NBL parishes between 1798 and 1812 which are known as the Barrington period after the Bishop who called for more detailed records to be kept. Burial records for the same years are also more detailed and worth seeking out.

Here is the Bishop's Transcript of the Stannington baptism found by KGarrad

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-642B-4Z?i=26&wc=9K53-16X%3A13617901%2C30647501%2C30647502%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819

The place is Milkup

There is no mention of a marriage licence in the index so I assume they married by banns, but a Christopher ARKLE of Billsmoor Foot, Elsdon was a bondsman for the marriage by licence of Eleanor ARKLE to William SNOWDON

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZ89-ZH2?i=54&wc=MLVD-L2C%3A165410601%2C165410602%2C165412401%3Fcc%3D1840743&cc=1840743

The bond

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6Q9X-RB?i=981&wc=M6KL-X2S%3A129240801%2C129240802%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690

[JenB]

Hi 

Hole is near to Bellingham:

Gadget,

I just took a quick look at the Northumberland Farm Index, and it looks like there was also a place called 'Hole' in Monkridge township of the Parish of Elsdon, and a place called 'The Hole' in Otterburn township (also Parish of Elsdon). http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i6n/

Will look later to see if I can find either on old maps 

[Gadget]

Would be grateful if you could find them on the old maps, Jennifer. The one I found could still be close enough to Otterburn to be in Elsden.

The one I found is close to that windfarm we talked about a while ago. I took  some photos at the time.

Do you agree that the Stannington baptism is unlikely unless her mother/or other relative lived there.


Gadget


added - This is Hole near Bellingham

http://maps.nls.uk/view/91629060#zoom=5&lat=4095&lon=4870&layers=BT

[Millmoor]

There is a book with transcriptions of "The registers of baptisms, marriages and burials solemnized in the ancient parish church of Elsdon, in the county of Northumberland, from AD 1672 to AD 1812" which can be accessed though archive.org . You can find a link to it on UKBMD. This might be worth a browse. I have had a quick look and the only baptism I can see referred to by Fiddlers Lass is the one for Elizabeth in 1805 which names parents as Christopher, husbandman, native of this parish and Isabella Summerbell (unfortunately does not specify a parish) but I may have missed the others as I could not work out how to tilt the pages in that period to read them easily!

There is an index at the end of the book and The Hole is one of the places it has references to.

William