........ I found someone had put grandparents' wedding on ancestry along with 3 generations back -- each side. Its all there granddad's service, nana's dead sister etc. A stupid picture of a 1920's woman to represent nan.
I couldn't even determine which side they came from they had so much of both. they can not be related to both sides.
Dad was an only child. This is identity theft.
Dad's father died when dad was 13 in 1939. The tennis club paid for her house and dad had legacy for support and the only rellie's he knew were his uncle bill (actually his dad's cousin) and his mum's cousin Fairy (a second cousin I think) and Aunt Adelaide who had no children of her own.
Nan took in washing and boarders to make ends meet..........
Hi there
I am fairly sure that phenolphthalein’s grandfather’s death in 1939 occurred in Australia. I apologise if I am wrong.
But if he died in Australia, may I please mention that any member of the general public would be able to access the official record of the civil registration of that death simply by ordering a copy of the death certificate.
There are eight separate jurisdictions across Australia and each has their own parliaments. Six of those parliaments date from the colonial era (19th century) and each has their own system of civil registrations of BDM.
If grandfather died in New South Wales, then the 1939 dc would be available from NSW BDM as part of the historic records, so any person including people who are not family members, and people who are not seeking to compile a family history chart, can purchase that document without providing any identification to the NSW BDM. So people researching medical issues in a location or in a particular era, or people looking at local history, are some of the people who may be interested in that 1939 death.
A NSW BDM death certificate is likely to contain a great depth of information, so too a Queensland dc, and a Victorian dc, and a Western Australia dc. The information can include identifying details about people who were living at that time (in this instance 1939). The system is informant driven and dates from the mid 1850s. One of the administrative functions of a funeral director is the completing and the lodgement of the paperwork for the formal issuing of the NSW BDM (Registrar-General’s) certificate.
My involvement in family history dates from ummmmmmm back in the late 1950s ..... (so I have been around fh buffs since before it was a popular hobby, and definitely pre internet !, but while the research tools have changed, the concept of seeking out primary sources to validate and to find new questions to pose, has not
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So, a NSW BDM dc from 1939 for a chap who was a married man and who had a child aged 13 would likely include the following:
Grandfather's (the deceased’s)
full names (given and surname)
sex
age (at death)
where born
date and place where he died (including in some instances the full street address)
usual place of residence (including in some instances the full street address)
occupation (including in some instances the employer’s name)
marital status (single, married, divorcee petitioner, divorcee respondent, widower)
where married (including in some instances the name of the church, the street address, and not just the town, state, country).
Age when married, and the name of his spouse (so Nan’s full name when she married Grandfather, plus any former names that she may have been known by).
The names of the living children of the marriage listed in chronological order with their then age next to their name, and at least the gender of any who had not survived.
The names of Grandfather’s parents, including if possible his mum’s nee name
(I pause and comment ... so basically the above is the information most frequently collected by the funeral director when speaking with family when making the arrangements for the funeral, and from a family history perspective, we need to remember that it is information likely sourced from grieving family members so it can be misunderstood by the recorder as well as the questions may be misunderstood by the informants).
The name and address and relationship of the informant to the deceased is recorded on the certificate. Perhaps it would be Grandfather's widow who provided the information.
Cause/s of death, and duration of the illness
This is information certified by the medico or by the coroner if an inquest was held.
Burial/cremation details
This is information certified by the funeral director, includes naming the cemetery/crematorium and may include noting the denomination.
In NSW, there is restricted access to the death registration for the first thirty years after the death. That restricted access provides some personal privacy to the living persons named on that civil registration. All the Australian states and territories have their own laws, regulations and practices that provide restricted access, and not all have a 30 year limit on death certificates (some may have longer, some shorter).
But the depth of detail on NSW BDM dcs is extensive.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/registry-records.aspxADD (on NSW BDM dc)
How long in Australia (as per informant)
JM
