Author Topic: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?  (Read 4942 times)

Online Millmoor

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,475
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:09 GMT (UK) »
There is a newspaper notice Bath Chronicle 2 May 1901.  Agar P Agar was one of the mourners at the funeral of James Bampfylde (Bamfield a version of this?). The service was conducted by a Rev G H Thompson. Funeral may explain why he is recorded in 1901 census as there are Freemasons docs showing he was in India in the 1900's. iF Agar P Agar and Agar P Thompson are indeed one and the same there are masters and mates docs. for the latter.

William
Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,827
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:17 GMT (UK) »
Earlier children for Reginald and Lucy Angelsmith:

Mar qtr 1891, Bedminster: Lucy Angelsmith (death registered same quarter)
Jun qtr 1892, Bedminster: Reginald Eric O Angelsmith (died Bradford in Avon, Mar qtr 1909 aged 16)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline Spidermonkey

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,737
  • https://www.apigintime.net/blog
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Agar Padley Agar/Thompson's father - George Agar Thompson - seems to have died in 1860.

Probate calendar reads:
Letters of administration (with the will annexed) and the personal estate and effects of George Agar Thompson formerly of Brook Cottage Albury in the County of Surrey but late of South Lawn near Exeter in the County of Devon Esquire deceased who died 5 July 1860 at Inglewood Diggings Maryborough County in the Colony of Victoria were grated at the Principal Registry to Ellen Elizabeth Ann Newton Thompson of South Lawn aforesaid widow the relict and a Residuary Legatee for Life named in the said Will she having been first sworn

Effects under £200

So did Agar Padley start using Agar as surname after father's death?

Offline ShaunJ

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,130
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:32 GMT (UK) »
Quote
iF Agar P Agar and Agar P Thompson are indeed one and the same there are masters and mates docs. for the latter.

So the "I N" acronym in the 1875 marriage announcement could stand for  "Indian Navy"
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Online Millmoor

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,475
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:33 GMT (UK) »
George Agar Thompson married Ellen Elizabeth Newton Padley 2 Oct 1846 Langham, Westminster
 -as in interesting aside one of the witnesses was W Wilkie Collins.

1851 census states he was born in Edinburgh (and was an annuitant) - there is a birth in Edinburgh for him 5 June 1824 Parents John Thompson and Catherine Agar.

William
Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)

Offline Spidermonkey

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,737
  • https://www.apigintime.net/blog
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Shaun - that makes sense.

But  Blimey  :D I've just looked at the marriage cert between George Agar Thompson and his wife of many many forenames - and one of the witnesses was W Wilkie Collins  :o nothing exciting like that happens in my family tree (ag lab from Norfolk village marries daughter of ag lab from same Norfolk village x 10 generations)

Red boxed again!!

Offline ShaunJ

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,130
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:36 GMT (UK) »
"Agar-Belsey: Agar P. Agar, Indian Navy, to Amelia M. M., daughter of the late Geo. Belsey..."

Allens Indian Mail, 16 December 1875, courtesy of FIBIS
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Spidermonkey

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,737
  • https://www.apigintime.net/blog
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Unless I have missed something, we don't yet have the connection (if there is one) between Reginald Walter Angelsmith and Agar Padley Agar.


Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,827
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Lt. Col. Alexander Agar Agar - born 1909 died 1995. Who was he?
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 10:55 GMT (UK) »
Unless I have missed something, we don't yet have the connection (if there is one) between Reginald Walter Angelsmith and Agar Padley Agar.

A few factors point to Agar, rather than Angelsmith, being Alexander's natural father.  The Agar middle name, the long gap since the Angelsmith children of the early 1890s, the marriage announcement saying that Alexander was grandson of Rev. Padley.

Perhaps there simply was an unconventional domestic arrangement which suited (or was tolerated by) everyone concerned, for one reason or another.  There may well be no previous connection between the two men.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)