Nelson Births circa 1887

[Lucy2]

Simon ... fairly sure that the following is Margaret ARNOLD bc 1870 - d/o Catherine and William Frederick ARNOLD.

NZ Birth

1870 - ARNOLD - Margaret Dinah  
Parents:   Catherine and William Frederick
[Date of Birth deduced from online index listing = 27 June 1870 ]

NZ Marriage

Margaret Ann ARNOLD - James QUINN -- Year:  1893
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Electoral - Wellington  1896

QUINN - James - railway guard
QUINN - Margaret - home duties   ... both at Sydney Street
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Death

1897 - QUINN - Margaret Dinah - 26 years
[Date of Death :  26 June 1897 (the day before her 27th birthday) ]

Funeral Notice for Margaret QUINN (wife of James QUINN)

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18970628.2.72.3

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[Lucy2]

Margaret QUINN (nee ARNOLD ) - continued :

Seems to have been only one child ?

NZ Birth

1896 - QUINN - William James
Parents :   Margaret and James QUINN

Death

1907 - QUINN - William - 13 years

Death Notice - William, s/o James QUINN

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19071122.2.99.2

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Burial

Karori Cemetery - Wellington - ROM CATH  - Plot 37 B

Indexed as > QUIN - Margaret - 1897

... sharing same plot is her son, William QUINN - 13 years - buried 23 November 1907.

http://wellington.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemeteries-search

   ~  Lu

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Thanks so much for all the details on Emma and Margaret 

Fantastic sleuthing Lucy2  and very much appreciated.

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Hi Beg,

Urania celebrated her birthday about the 5th or 6th of October

Is it worth searching the BDM NZ website by date or has this already been done.

Quite possibly showing my ignorance with the BDM site, but it doesn't seem to permit wildcard searching.

...they "found" a birth entry for her that meant Urania was born earlier than she thought

Any idea how much earlier. A 14 year old Urana would mean an 1882 birth. That's six years of fiche (1882-1888) which would take a month or two to search. Would be a nuisance to do that and find it's already been done.

The birth record that was found apparently gave Urania an earlier birth date, but how much older or who her birth parents were is not known. It is thought that it made her "a couple of years" older.

Simon

[Beg Clonrode...]

Hi again...

1887 birth year ... when she applied for National Super apparently they "found" a birth entry for her

Have you done a Births fiche search of 1952-ish (1887 + 65-ish).
EDIT: Have been reliably informed that pension age used to be 60. So 1947-ish

Just wondering if there's a revelatory notation of late registration scrawled somewhere in a margin. Would be handy.

Unfortunately there are no notations of note in the 1885 fiche. Am checking the 1884 and 1886 fiche over the weekend.

Worse comes to worst might need to do a website search for post-1952 late registrations (which would be horrendous as the yyyy/xxxxxx numbers are huge and each one has to be checked).

Can you think of any other surnames which we could try before it comes to that. Have tried both GRAY and ARNOLD from 1/1/1882 to 1/1/1889 but only three late registrations, and none of them Urania.

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Urania celebrated her birthday about the 5th or 6th of October

Have a list of two hundred-ish female births for Oct 5/6 1884/5/6. About a thousand names for +/- 3 days.

Next step is to find the registration district. Really easy (although monotonous) if you have access to ancestry. Unfortunately I don't. If you do, it's no problem to send you the (smaller) list. If not, I'll find the locations using the Keys later next week.

No names of interest in the list and nothing jumps out so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

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the BDM site doesn't seem to permit wildcard searching

The Family Search website has a sort of wildcard search option for their NZ Civil Indexes records. Haven't really looked at it but it seems a bit limited. Still miles better than the nothing currently offered by BDM NZ.

I use files which some of us have previously downloaded when doing other searches. Quite flexible. Happy to share.

Regards
Beg

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Hi Beg,

Can you think of any other surnames which we could try before it comes to that. Have tried both GRAY and ARNOLD from 1/1/1882 to 1/1/1889 but only three late registrations, and none of them Urania.

I feel that the Urania Catherine is likely a name that Johanna gave to the baby and not a birth name. The three late registrations that you mentioned, were they in the Nelson area?

Next step is to find the registration district. Really easy (although monotonous) if you have access to ancestry. Unfortunately I don't. If you do, it's no problem to send you the (smaller) list.

Unfortunately, I am not a member of Ancestry either.

I can't thank you enough for the amount of effort you have put into this.

Simon

[Beg Clonrode...]

The three late registrations that you mentioned, were they in the Nelson area?

Hi again...

Of the three late registrations, two were female. Both were registered in 1984. One born 11 Feb 1884 in Wellington, the other born 4 Feb 1883 in Dunedin. So neither match.

Am still slowly matching female births of 02 to 09 Oct 1884-87 to registration districts. Will take another week-ish to complete. Nothing of any real interest so far but will (eventually) give you the completed list so you can go through them.

Regards
Beg

[Beg Clonrode...]

[...] the Nelson area?

Hi again...

Was at the library today so managed to use Ancestry and download all births registered in Nelson 1883-1887.

Attached at the bottom of this post is a text file listing the female births (and any male births I've overlooked).

Transcription errors are Ancestry, not mine.

Will get the other dozen or so districts in the Nelson area (Takaka, Motueka etc) next library visit(s).

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The file has a txt extension. Once you download it change the extension to csv

Once you've done that you can open the file in a spreadsheet programme and sort the columns by name or surname or quarter or whatever you find easiest.

Sorry about the hassle but Rootschat don't allow csv files to be uploaded.

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Still matching births to districts as mentioned previously. Still nothing promising. Will get back to you when done.

Regards
Beg

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Hi Beg,

That is fabulous and using Ancestry through the library to access records hadn't even dawned on me.

Sorry about the hassle but Rootschat don't allow csv files to be uploaded.

Absolutely no hassle whatsoever, just grateful for the list.

Thanks heaps!