Honeyborne family Gloucestershire

[adnil-h]

I am trying to find a birth and marriage record for Henry Honeyborne (my 4x great grandfather) born around 1748.

Henry was married to Martha, all their children were born in Thornbury Gloucestershire, Henry and Martha both died in Thornbury but I cannot find a birth record for Henry.

Looking through parish records for Thornbury I haven't found (so far) any entries for the name Honeyborne before Henry and Martha's first child was born so I think the family must have come from somewhere else.

If anyone can help be past this block I would really appreciate it.

Thank you

[Jebber]

Welcome to Rootschat, hopefully someone will come up with some useful suggestions for you.

This is not Gloucestershire, but may be worth following up
 Hebert HONIBORN bap. 20th. January  1748 at Loders, Dorset.
Parents Henery and Anne.

Jebber

Amendment
Just noticed spell check seems to have converted Henery into Herbert

[Capetown]

Thornbury roots


http://www.thornburyroots.co.uk


appears to concentrate on John HONEYBORNE - is Henry also a Mason?

[mazi]

Familysearch has a marriage of henry honyborn to martha Arnold in 1782 in Bromyard Herefordshire,
The date is a good fit with the first child.


Welcome to rootschat from me also 

Mike

[adnil-h]

Thank you all for your swift responses!
and thank you all for welcoming me 

Jebber - I did go on the trail of the Dorset Honeybornes some time ago but haven't managed to connect them to my lot despite a lot of similar names! The Henery you mention married and died in Dorset so it can't be him.

Capetown - Thornbury roots has been a great help to me in my research, Henry was the father of the John you mention but  as he didn't survive to the first census I'm not sure what his occupation was. Thornbury roots doesn't mention any Honeybornes as far back as the Henry I'm looking for apart from the family gravestone. I went to Thornbury last year and the church records don't have any more info about him unfortunately.

mazi (Mike) - I did find the marriage record that you mention and as you say the dates fit in nicely but I haven't been able to prove it. I phoned the Herefordshire history society but the original parish record has almost no information, just the name of the bride and "of this parish", the name of the groom and the names of the witnesses - no fathers names or addresses 

I traced a Martha Arnold to a family in Rockhampton which is very close to Thornbury so she does seem a strong possibility but I don't know what she'd be doing in Bromyard (it's quite a way from Thornbury for those times). Also I still have no clue as to where Henry came from and why he might be in Bromyard.

Thank you .....
 

[mazi]

A minor thing I spotted

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j5k/

This tells us that Henry and marthas child Elizabeth was bap. 6 months after her birth.
It does not specifically say she was born there.


Mike

[Capetown]

?

John HONEYBOURN(E) and his wife Sophia (where did they marry)

Looking at the Gloucestershire Baptism Index

Thornbury St Mary
23 October 1822

John & Sophia's first child appears to be Henry and John was listed as a Husbandman living at Morton**
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Family Search: Non-conformist register

Ann - 19 November 1826 at Thornbury - parents John & Sophia

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Two children christened at Rockhampton

John - 29 May 1830 (by which time he was a Mason) and Martha 25 March 1832 (Mason) .


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From Thornbury Roots  (Voters List 1865)

The family were Copyhold tenants at Morton


'Copyhold land was land held by a manorial tenant'


** John may have taken over his father's tenancy.

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Ancestry does have

UK, Land Tax Redemption 1798

Could search for Thornbury,

follow down the list until you reach :  tithing of Morton - and see if the family are listed as tenants etc.

Have found some of my Ancestors this way.

[adnil-h]

Hi

Mike - good point, Elizabeth could easily have been born elsewhere though I haven't found a birth record for her anywhere yet. Because Elizabeth was born so soon after the Bromyard marriage record, I had an idea that maybe Martha was pregnant and thus left home and went to Bromyard - I still can't work out where Henry came from though.

Capetown - Thank you for the pointers on Ancestry Land Tax records - I didn't know about them, I have spent hours on various records (I'm supposed to be working, it's a good job I'm the boss!) I've found some really interesting stuff but unfortunately still can't find any Gloucestershire records prior to 1782. I'm more convinced that the Honeybornes came from elsewhere but the only record I have for Henry around the correct birth date is the Dorset one and I know it's not him. Also you referred to John as being a Mason, do you think he was a Freemason? I've got in my head that he was a stone mason but maybe I assumed that .... Do you know if there are any specific masonic records that might help?

I'm doing as much as I can just now because my Ancestry subscription runs out soon, I won't renew for a while because work starts to get busy again in the next couple of weeks. I know there are loads of record collections that I'm just not aware of so I waste a lot of time searching.

Thanks again all ....

[mazi]

My thought was that Martha was living in Bromyard, possibly in service,married there, and went home to mum and dad after the birth, along with Henry.

Before civil reg. in 1837 the christening is often the only record of a birth, 6 months afterwards is slightly unusual.

Mike