Identification John Hardy/West

[minniehaha]

Hello again,

"The children were registered under Mary's name Hardwick

She went under the name of Hardy."

Reply #26…..

BDM NZ death
1927 / 4183 HARDY Lilian May   2yrs

Do you have the printout for this death? If so, what are the details concerning the parents?


Minniehaha.

[today1]

Yes the children all went under the name of Hardy as did Mary, although John and her were not married, it was only when Arnold, George went to get birth certificates much later in life that they discovered they were registered under Hardwick and the parents had not married.  Lillian died after falling and inhaling a peanut and developing pneumonia.  George reverted to Hardwick when he went to australia and his death is recorded as Hardwick.  Arnold continued to use the name Hardy and death was registered under that name.  Rosemary married in australia and death is registered under her married name.
For Lillians newspaper notice they were Mr and Mrs Hardy.  On the army registration papers for Arnold and George, Mary as next of kin was Hardy.

[minniehaha]

Thank you for the information. However you have not stated what details were given on the death registration document concerning the parentage of wee Lilian.........


Minniehaha.

[today1]

I dont have that certificate and havent sought to get it.  Mary's brother Reg gave my father all the information that he had with regard to that time.  Limited finance for certificates so have to allocate for what is completely unknown and what is known, if you see what i mean, and yes could be something for down the track.  Had so many purchases turn out to be not the person, or providing less information than i already have in other areas of tree.

[Beg Clonrode...]

Hello...

Would some kind soul with access to the electoral rolls see if John WEST (Junior) of Pollen Street, Thames is present in the 1920's and later.

For the record... Gertrude (possibly fmr BRADSHAW m.s STEWART), the wife of this John died in November 1916 aged 33 years. She seems to be alone in her plot (Shortland Cemetery). She had a few children from both of her marriages.

Maybe this John WEST junior is the son of blacksmith John WEST, mentioned on the Treasury website, as well as being the blacksmith John WEST of Pollen Street, Thames who is mentioned on the WW1 CD. He is classified D so 3 or 4 children (can't remember which :-) which ties in.

Possibly this John WEST left his children when his wife died and became John HARDY. Or possibly not.

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Today1... did you ever know the day John HARDY celebrated his birthday. You don't know his birth *date* but maybe his birthday was Christmas Day or the winter solstice or the same day as one of his children etc.


Regards
Beg

[today1]

Beg at one time way back yes i knew, from memory it was in the latter part of the year...could be confusing it though with Arnolds. 

[minniehaha]

Obituary, [1917] John WEST, Thames, blacksmith..........

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT19171101.2.14?query=john%20west


Minniehaha,

[Beg Clonrode...]

Beg at one time way back yes i knew, from memory it was in the latter part of the year

Hi...

I just ask because there is a somewhat convoluted way of using the BDM website to find everyone born on a specific date. It involves hitting the website (in this case) approx 20,000 times but that's nothing to a computer (although very annoying to the staff, not that I can see why).

The year 1888 had approx 20,000 births, so about thirty male births per day. A mangeable amount to research and rule in or out.

Obviously, this only works if the birth was registered in NZ.

Regards
Beg

[Beg Clonrode...]

Obituary, [1917] John WEST, Thames, blacksmith..........

Hi Minnie... that will be the father (John senior) of the John WEST (blacksmith) mentioned on the WW1 CD.

Although the father was also a blacksmith I can't see why he would be mentioned as being in the Second Reserves, considering his age.

All comes to naught if John WEST, Pollen Street, Thames  - occupation: Blacksmith is mentioned in the same electoral rolls as today1 mentioned in posts 8 and 25

Regards
Beg