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Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« on: Monday 16 January 17 16:56 GMT (UK) »
The man on the far right of the group shot....is that the same person as in the portrait attached?

According to one source, all the people in the group are all women, putting on a show of some kind during WW1. I can't believe the one on the right is a woman!

Several are marked with a cross. I think they are members of my family - the bride is definitely my great-aunt and I think the man on the right is her uncle.

Any thoughts?
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SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
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Re: Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 January 17 22:28 GMT (UK) »
There is a good chance that it is the same person but a scan of you the man in the group photo would give a better idea.
Carol
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Re: Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 January 17 22:34 GMT (UK) »
Scan...what sort of scan?  ???

I don't have the original of either of these photographs, just emailed copies.

Sorry. I'm being dim!
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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Re: Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 16 January 17 22:37 GMT (UK) »
There is a distinct chin cleft in one but not the other. I also wonder how far apart these photos are date-wise?

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Re: Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 January 17 22:43 GMT (UK) »
The chin cleft could be part of the theatrical makeup, couldn't it? I'm not sure when the seated photograph was taken, I'll see if I can find out.
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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Re: Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 January 17 23:02 GMT (UK) »
The seated photograph is apparently the earlier one, taken in the early 1900s, the second was about fifteen years later. I am currently in touch with Joseph Knight's granddaughter but even she isn't sure. She thinks she recognises other family members in the group though, so it's all looking quite likely! :)
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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Re: Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 January 17 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Sorry....I assumed that you had scanned the photos. I would agree with the date range and I also think the guy in the first photo has had some exaggerated facial hair.
Carol
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Re: Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 January 17 23:19 GMT (UK) »
The chin cleft could be part of the theatrical makeup, couldn't it? I'm not sure when the seated photograph was taken, I'll see if I can find out.

Yes, probably - looking at it again it seems too dark to be a cleft shadow. Could it be another male in the back row?

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Re: Are the photographs of the same person Joseph Knight?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 00:41 GMT (UK) »
My opinion :P
The person in the large photo is male.
What you see as a chin cleft, I see as the remaining dark bit of a white beard worn quite short The colour variation shows in the moustache too.
The clothes fit well, because they are his.
His left eye is an unusual shape

I would say he is the same chap as below.  I think there is something in the facial expression that is similar too. ::)

Perhaps he is holding his invitation to the production ;)

(Noting.  If I am wrong, and the person is female, she seems unmarried as her ring finger is bare)

Sue
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