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Offline StevieSteve

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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 17:39 GMT (UK) »
Well, I might not be a sonofa... but not so sure about being a 1stcousin3timesremovedofa...


And while I might defend the reputation of relations from East Harting or Keston to the hilt, I'll be a bit more cautious of the ones from Kings Cross, Southwark and the like
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 22:04 GMT (UK) »
My mother actually WAS a dressmaker; because she was disabled, it was thought that a mostly sitting down job was all she could do.   She trained as a court dressmaker, and made gowns and undies for minor royalty, and celebs like Fanny Craddock, Bebe Daniels, Kathleen Ferrier, etc.   

And never a whiff of scandal about my mother, but not so for some of her customers !    :o
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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 23:41 GMT (UK) »
A relative of Jane Austen was a milliner. It was in a radio programme about her that I first learned of the connection with ladies of the night. I think it was said in the programme that unemployed milliners could fall into prostitution. So might any unemployed young woman at the time.
JA's relative went to India as a kind of mail-order bride for a British officer. She had an affair with the famous Clive of India and had a daughter. Clive was godfather to child. The daughter married a French aristocrat. He was executed during the French Revolution.
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 23:58 GMT (UK) »
I have one who was a shirt-maker!  Do you think she called herself that to attract male custom??
Maybe she was genuine  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 18 January 17 14:37 GMT (UK) »
I suppose that both millinery and dressmaking, realistically, could be started with a very small outlay of money, and were suited to working from home.
They also by working from home avoided having to work in some sort of factory or mill, too, probably, so were seen as perhaps a little more genteel than that sort of work, possibly? At least in their own eyes.
I noticed that very few of my family tree seem to have been employed as domestic servants - but then we always were a stroppy lot, and probably wouldn't have lasted long in that kind of job.
-Actually, the milliners I've found in my wider family history worked with sisters who were dressmakers, and it seemed to be more than one generation. Not sure if that makes it a worse or better idea!!
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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 18 January 17 14:41 GMT (UK) »
Previous post on the same topic here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=292299.0

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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 19 January 17 08:07 GMT (UK) »
This 'problem' is so well known, that it also crops up in Terry Pratchett's Disc world books :)

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 19 January 17 10:42 GMT (UK) »
In 1861 the occupations sometimes appeared together.

Have a look at RG9/2948 ed22 fol88 pg31.

Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 19 January 17 11:37 GMT (UK) »
This 'problem' is so well known, that it also crops up in Terry Pratchett's Disc world books :)

Bob

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