Lowes and Clough - feeling as if there is a hole in history

[Cas (stallc)]

For reference is this your Margaret Clough with family in 1861 living at Windy Nook, Heworth

Andrew Clough     35    Quarryman Hebron? Durham
Mary Ann    35 Gateshead, Durham
Joseph 14 Office Boy    Heworth, Durham
Mary Ann    9 Windy Nook, Durham
Margaret    7 Windy Nook, Durham
Jane Ann 1 Windy Nook, Durham

1851? Living in Windy Nook, Heworth   all children born Sherriff Hill  Windy Nook

Edward Clough    25 b Heworth Hebburn Quarryman
Mary Ann Clough 28 Gateshead
Joseph Clough    5
John Clough 4
Edward Clough    ?

I think these are the same family, Edward has been put down as Andrew in 1861

1841? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBZ-8WW

Marriages Dec 1845   Same page
CLOUGH    Edward        Gateshead    24   153    
SNAITH    Mary Ann        Gateshead    24   153   
Marriage  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZQ-M24

Think this is Margarets birth Reg

CLEUGH, MARGARET       Mmn SNAITH     
GRO Reference: 1853  D Quarter GATESHEAD Volume 10A  Page 365   

Bapt https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJY6-NH1

Margaret and John George marriage cert 1874 could confirm.

Marriage https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZ3-S84

All children of both census can be found with Mmn Snaith in Gateshead Reg district, under Cluff, Cleugh, Clough. Use phonetic sound search.  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Cas
 

[Duncan Lowes]

Hi all

Thanks everyone so much. I can't answer evryone individually yet. it will take me a while to investigate all the sources. They definitely look like likely possibilities

Will get back to you when I have double checked. The paper maker means he changed work since he was a miner in 1861 but thats not uncommon since so mny people ended up in the miines. I had tried looking for some Lawes but hadn't found that one

Thanks all!!!

regards Duncan

[Duncan Lowes]

Thanks! Definitely looks like them. Right area and everything. I had done some Lawes searches but had missed this. Obviously changed his job a great deal in different censuses too.

regards Duncan

1851
HO107/2401 Folio 185 Page   60

John   Lawes 44   Paper Maker bn Leeds
Eleanor   36   bn Newburn, Northumberland
Eleanor   16   Scholar   bn Heworth, Durham
John George  6 (wks or months ) bn Heworth, Durham

[Duncan Lowes]

Hi

Yes, this is the family I have. I only had as far back as this 1861 record. Thanks for all the help

regards Duncan

For reference is this your Margaret Clough with family in 1861 living at Windy Nook, Heworth

Andrew Clough     35    Quarryman Hebron? Durham
Mary Ann    35 Gateshead, Durham
Joseph 14 Office Boy    Heworth, Durham
Mary Ann    9 Windy Nook, Durham
Margaret    7 Windy Nook, Durham
Jane Ann 1 Windy Nook, Durham

[Duncan Lowes]

Thanks so much

Interesting the name differences but must be the same family

Maybe Andrew Edward or Edward Andrew

I did have Snaith as middle names in one of the children but hadn't tracked down the Snaiths

EDIT I just checked my records though and I did have the Edward Clough/Cleugh family in a a disconnected part of my research. I'm still not 100% sure of the strange disconnect between the families. There may be two different families or something strange going on with my matching and database

regards Duncan

For reference is this your Margaret Clough with family in 1861 living at Windy Nook, Heworth

Andrew Clough     35    Quarryman Hebron? Durham
Mary Ann    35 Gateshead, Durham
Joseph 14 Office Boy    Heworth, Durham
Mary Ann    9 Windy Nook, Durham
Margaret    7 Windy Nook, Durham
Jane Ann 1 Windy Nook, Durham

1851? Living in Windy Nook, Heworth   all children born Sherriff Hill  Windy Nook

Edward Clough    25 b Heworth Hebburn Quarryman
Mary Ann Clough 28 Gateshead
Joseph Clough    5
John Clough 4
Edward Clough    ?

I think these are the same family, Edward has been put down as Andrew in 1861

1841? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBZ-8WW

Marriages Dec 1845   Same page
CLOUGH    Edward        Gateshead    24   153    
SNAITH    Mary Ann        Gateshead    24   153   
Marriage  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZQ-M24

Think this is Margarets birth Reg

CLEUGH, MARGARET       Mmn SNAITH     
GRO Reference: 1853  D Quarter GATESHEAD Volume 10A  Page 365   

Bapt https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJY6-NH1

Margaret and John George marriage cert 1874 could confirm.

Marriage https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZ3-S84

All children of both census can be found with Mmn Snaith in Gateshead Reg district, under Cluff, Cleugh, Clough. Use phonetic sound search.  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Cas

[rosie99]

I can't answer evryone individually yet.

You don't need to answer us all individually    Just come back with any queries

[Duncan Lowes]

Thanks

I think just to confuse matters (as usual) there may have been several Mary Anns born in 1826. So I'm still trying to compare the families. I think the Edward and Andrew famiies are different Mary Anns although I had considered maybe a remarriage or something. Just having to tidy up all my links  at the moment

I can't answer evryone individually yet.

You don't need to answer us all individually    Just come back with any queries

[Millmoor]

Have to say that my conclusion would be that they were the same family and that Margaret Clough's mother was Mary Ann Snaith. Hopefully the following might help:

This is the 1871 census at Windy Nook, Heworth

Edward Clough 45 quarryman b Heworth
Mary Ann Clough wife 45 b Gateshead
Edward Clough son 8 b Heworth

If you follow Cas's link to the groindexes the following births all in Gateshead RD can be found
Joseph Cluff  J 1846
John Cleugh S 1847        Death S 1851
Edward Cleugh D 1849     Death S 1851
Mary Ann Clough D 1851
Margaret Cleugh D 1853
Jane Ann Cleugh D 1855  Death S 1858
Jane Ann Cleugh J 1859
Edward Clough D 1862

In all cases the mother's maiden name is shown as Snaith. It would also appear from the above that the names of deceased children have been repeated.

There is also an entry in the probate calendar for Edward Cleugh died 23 April 1889, Gateshead - it says he was of Gladstone Terrace Windy Nook and a quarryman. Admin to Mary Ann Cleugh spinster.

William

[Duncan Lowes]

Hi

I believe this is a different John since this John is born in Durham. It seems following a few other leads that he was born in Tanfield, Durham since Esther was later found living with visitors in Tanfield and there is a Birth and Baptism record from Tanfield

John Lowes b 22 Jan 1805, baptism 17 Feb 1805
Robert Lowes - father
Eleanor Hedley - mother

Its a good find though considering the very unclear writing and mistransriptions. It seems that Lowes is often mistranscribed as Lower

So I still am searching for John Lowes from Leeds in the 1841 census. Its a tricky one though since the daughter Eleanor's age matches up but the other ages and John's birthplace don't match up

Thanks anyway. I am getting close to a brute force search through every page of the 1841 Heworth Census. Its always possible they were in Northumberland. I have found a huge amount of river crossing between 1841 and 1851 - mainly mine related but Heworth still seems most likely

regards Duncan

1841  Living at Heworth Lane, Jarrow, Gateshead   All born in County Durham

John    Lowes  30    Labourer
Ellnoir Lowes 30    
Elener Lowes 6
Esther Lowes 1

Added Esther's birth on GRO Index also lists mothers maiden name as Taylor