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Offline EmmaPettit

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Index or Certificate?
« on: Friday 27 January 17 04:00 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to get a birth certificate for a great grandfather.

I found on familysearch a few entries for him. Charles F Ellis b. 25 Oct 1828 Dover, New Hampshire, 2 without a picture and one with.
Are these just indexes or something else?
How do I go about getting a birth certificate. I'm not from America and it does not seem to be easy to get one.
Can someone lead me in the right direction?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
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Re: Index or Certificate?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 January 17 04:28 GMT (UK) »
It is neither, this is just information submitted by an individual to the IGI, and should be treated with caution as no source there to back up evidence. The info says

Submitted 12 June 2012 by unknown38379. International Genealogical Index (IGI).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MSQK-VW2

There would be no birth certs prior to Civil Registration which started 1 July 1837, UK.
The most you can hope is a baptism to give clues to parents.

ADDED Not sure about New Hampshire, America.

If you add details of what you know as confirmed, others from area maybe able to help.

Good luck

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Re: Index or Certificate?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 January 17 04:42 GMT (UK) »
Hogwash.  It has nothing to do with IGI or submitted records.  The document is a transcription from the original town records made at some later date by the State of New Hampshire.  The question is, how to see the original records of the town of Dover.  And 1837 has absolutely nothing to do with US records.


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Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Index or Certificate?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 January 17 04:49 GMT (UK) »
Hogwash.  It has nothing to do with IGI or submitted records.  The document is a transcription from the original town records made at some later date by the State of New Hampshire.  The question is, how to see the original records of the town of Dover.  And 1837 has absolutely nothing to do with US records.


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Apologies. Was just trying to help, no need to be rude. I stand corrected, should stay out, as not my area.

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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland


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Re: Index or Certificate?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 January 17 04:50 GMT (UK) »
From his marriage certificate: His mothers name is given as Ruth Hussey and fathers name was James Ellis, he was born in New Hampshire,  and in 1856 he gave his age as being 26 years old.

His death certificate states the same parents but his birth year is given as 1828 and being deceased at 67 years old in 1895.
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Re: Index or Certificate?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 January 17 04:55 GMT (UK) »

You could try the Dover Public Library to see if they hold those records or, if not, who does.
http://www.dover.nh.gov/government/city-operations/library/

No telling what you might find in this volume:
https://archive.org/details/collectionsofdov01dove
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Index or Certificate?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 January 17 05:07 GMT (UK) »
Another possibility ...

Strafford County Historical Society
http://strafhist.weebly.com/
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Index or Certificate?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 January 17 05:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the links. I will be sure to check them out and make contact to see if they can lead me in a right direction.

Fingers crossed.
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Re: Index or Certificate?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 January 17 05:23 GMT (UK) »
I doubt that there would be an actual birth certificate in 1828.  More likely, his birth was recorded in the town records and that later transcribed document probably contains all the recorded information.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis