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[suffolk*sue]

A death in New Orleans of a Basil Sandys, born in England 1835

That's another great find.

Have to be lucky with the workhouse records
Julia is recorded in the St Giles + St George Birth Book
1862, May 6th
Name - Julia
Sex - Girl
Father Benjamin(!) Sandys
Mother - Catherine formerly Birmingham
Calling - Messenger

Hi Jon, this is brilliant, can you post links to where you found this and to their other child Catherine, who I believe to be my g.grandma Sarah. I have just recently sent for the birth cert for said Catherine, born 1856.

[philipsearching]

A death in New Orleans of a Basil Sandys, born in England 1835
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Sandys&GSiman=1&GSsr=41&GRid=128576234&

Basil junior buried 11 Oct 1867 New Orleans, Louisiana.  His sister (half-sister?) Elizabeth had a daughter Marie Massereene CORDNER who is on the 1880 US census as born c1867 in Louisiana.  Basil jnr's death is a hugely exciting find - thank you so much!
Philip

[hurworth]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG9R-MX3

Julia Sundys
England Births and Christenings
Name   Julia Sundys
Gender   Female
Birth Date   06 May 1862
Birthplace   ST GILES,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Benjamin Sundys
Mother's Name   Catherine Birmingham

[suffolk*sue]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG9R-MX3

Julia Sundys
England Births and Christenings
Name   Julia Sundys
Gender   Female
Birth Date   06 May 1862
Birthplace   ST GILES,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Benjamin Sundys
Mother's Name   Catherine Birmingham

Marvellous, another different spelling for Sandys.
Many thanks, you are finding stuff I have never come across.
 

[philipsearching]

This is wonderful!

If we can find a daughter (name unknown) born c1826, and Elizabeth/Eliza born c1841 I would be even more ecstatic than I am now 

Rootschatters are the best!
Philip

[suffolk*sue]

Now I have found my reading glasses (honestly!) and can see the thing properly
Exam 36454 is dated 1 May 1856
But has been updated later. Hence the discrepancy in Basil's age
His date of birth is given as 28 Aug 1800

Another female child was born 6 May 1862. Seems to say she was Louise
But GRO index says she was registered as Julia
June 1862 St. Giles 1b 413
Sandys, Julia       
mother Birmingham 

So we are looking at two entries, May 1856 (admitted 1st, discharged 17th)
and May 1862 (admitted 5th, discharged 16th)
Cause of distress - Labour

An address for 1856 is given
Address in 1862 was 8 Lascelles Place
Basil was a Labourer earning 12/- per week
Weekly Rent was 1/6

Previously had lived at
14 Endell Street
21 Endell Street
another address is there

Man states in 1826 he took a House No 47 Essex St. St Pancras, at £22 a yr, rented it only 9 months
Born in County of Cork, parents natives of Ireland + never in England

So Catherine has gone into the workhouse twice to give birth, and they have taken more info from Basil. That's how I read it.
John

Jon, can you provide the exact link to this please, as I can't find it. Many thanks.

[jonw65]

Hi Sue
London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1557
Browse this collection (small boxes, right hand side of page)
Borough - Camden
Poor Law Union - Holborn
Record Type - Settlement Papers
drop down list should appear (if not, refresh page)
scroll down to - Settlement examinations nos. 36257-36508, 1830-1868
(its number 36454, image 249 of 323)

I've looked for an exam of Catherine Birmingham/Otter, not found one. Which doesn't mean that one isn't there (pretty sure that two books of indexes dated 1830-68 do not in fact go that far back)

The birth of Julia should be on London Births and Baptisms
If it isn't they may have jumped a page or two (it's from microfilm)
All is not lost, however
In the same poor law records as for the exam, select
Camden/Holborn/Births
Takes you straight to the Register of births, 1858-1881 for St Giles/George (filmed by ancestry at the LMA, so better)
Julia is image 23 of 137
John

[suffolk*sue]

Thank you so much John, you must have a lot of patience to look through those.

[philipsearching]

Basil SANDYS  updated  timeline

sources shown in brackets.  Rootschat sources are mostly from workhouse records and Catholic baptism records

Father - Edwin SANDYS, army lieutenant (as per Basil's 1855 marriage cert)
1800   Basil born in Rathkeale (Excise application 1827) (1856 settlement return says born 28 Aug 1800 in Cork)
1826   14 Jul - Basil leases 47 Essex Street, Pancras (Rootschat)
1826   7 Dec - Basil witness in court case at Old Bailey.  Working at Coach and Horses Inn, Shadwell (Old Bailey Online trial records)
1826   (approximate year) eldest daughter born (Longford Journal 1839 age given as c13)
1827   11 Apr signs papers applying as Excise Officer.  Supporting letter describes him as a single man (Excise application 1827)
1827   30 May, son Edward baptised, City of London lying-in hospital (Rootschat)
1827   (approximate year) son Edwin born (1841 census page - aged 13)
1830   (approximate year) daughter Margaret born
1831   2 Dec - daughter Maria Anna born, baptised 1 Jan 1832 (mother Catherine nee DEVANEY (Rootschat)
1834   23 Feb - son Basil born, baptised 23 Mar (mother Catherine nee DEVANEY (Rootschat)
1839   last entry in indexes to Excise minute registers (National Archive online search)
1839   15 Jun - Longford Journal reports battering of daughter age c13.  First wife deceased, Basil has a second wife (newspaper cutting)
1840   29 Mar banns read for Basil Sandys and Caroline Greenhill St Mary, Lambeth (no record of a marriage found) (Rootschat)
1840   13 Jun Mary Ann and Basil admitted to Stepney workhouse by police (Rootschat)
1840   15 Jun Mary Ann and Basil discharged from workhouse to Limehouse Children's Establishment (Rootschat)
1841   (approximate year) daughter Elizabeth Aldwell born (age 19 on marriage cert in 1860)
1841   Mary Ann (10) and Basil ( on census in Limehouse workhouse (Rootschat)
1841   Basil and Edwin (13) on census in 19 Sidney Street, Marylebone (census page)
1843   3 May - Baswell SANDS admitted to Castle Street workhouse, discharged 7 Jul (Rootschat)
1843   8 Jul - Basil SANDYS admitted to Castle Street workhouse, discharged 31 Jul (Rootschat)
1851   census - Basil not found
1855   19 Mar - Basil married Catherine OTTER (widow), St Annes Soho (marriage cert)
1856   1 May - Catherine admitted to St Giles workhouse, female infant born, discharged 17 May (Rootschat)
1856   May - daughter Catherine (Sarah) born
1861   Basil, Catherine and Sarah (4) on census in 144 Endell Street, St Giles (census page)
1862   5 May - Catherine admitted to St Giles workhouse (to give birth), discharged 16 May  (Rootschat)
1862   6 May - daughter Julia (Louise?) born  (Rootschat)
1862   May - Basil living at 8 Lascelles Place, labourer earning 12s per week (Rootschat)
1871   census (to be checked)
1871   7 Jul Basil dies at 7 Princes Street, St Giles (death cert)

EVIDENCE TO FIND
documentary proof of Basil's birth
documentary proof of marriages before 1855
documentary proof of Elizabeth birth c1841
 
(Note - at the moment I am only looking to prove Basil's marriages and the births of Basil's children

CHILDREN

daughter - born c1826 (c13 in 1839)

Edward - bap 30 May 1827 City of London lying in hospital.  Son of Basil (labourer) and Catherine, Midford Place, Tottenham Court Rd

Edwin born c1828 (age 13 on 1841 census)

Margaret born c1830 (mother DILLON?) (m WILSON, d New York 1917 age 87)

Maria Anna - born 2 Dec 1831 bapt 1 Jan 1832 Commercial Road, Stepney (mother Catherine DEVANEY)

Basil - born 23 Feb bapt 23 Mar 1834 Commercial Rd, Stepney(mother Catherine DEVANEY)

Elizabeth Aldwell - born c1841 according to marriage cert

Catherine - female infant born May 1856 St Giles workhouse (age 4 on 1861 census)

Julia (Louise) born 6 May 1862 St Giles workhouse