Empingham Baptisms: BAKER family around 1800

[Newfloridian]

I am attempting to determine whether five children all belonged to the same Edward Baker (no parents have so far been found for #1 John):

1. John (Edward) BAKER born abt 1810 Empingham (no baptism found)
(married Sarah CLAYPOLE Great Easton Apr 2 1839)

2. Thomas BAKER baptism May 22 1814  Empingham (mother named as Alice)  * from family search

3. William BAKER baptism Feb 25 1816 Empingham (mother named as Alice)  * from familysearch
Married Mary CLAYPOLE: Great Easton 1843

4. Henry BAKER  baptism Mar 28 1819  d. Sep 12 1819 (mother named as Alice) *from familysearch

5. Elizabeth BAKER baptism Sep 19 1823: Lyddington (mother named as Ann)
This Elizabeth Baker married William CLAYPOLE in 1861

These CLAYPOLEs were brother and sisters (Elizabeth Baker was his second wife);
William Baker and Mary Claypole lived in Lyddington after they were married.

Many thanks

Alan

[BumbleB]

Thomas, Henry and William Baker are all said to be the children of Edward and Alice Baker of Empingham - Edward is a Carpenter.  Parish register images on FindMyPast.

There are earlier baptisms at Empingham - John - 28 May 1809 and Ann - 2 February 1812, no occupation given for Edward.

Elizabeth - Lyddington - daughter of Edward and Ann Baker of Lyddington - Edward is a Carpenter.

[BumbleB]

Empingham - 8 August 1808 - by Banns

Edward Baker and Alice Ogden (x) botp.  Witnesses William Lee and Sophia Thorp.

[BumbleB]

Possible marriage - St Margaret, Leicester - 21 December 1824, by Banns

Edward Baker (widower) and Ann Mitton (x) - botp.  Witnesses Henry and Hannah (x) Jeffs

[Newfloridian]

Many thanks BB

The overwhelming likelihood was that three siblings from one family (ie the Claypoles) wouldn't have married entirely unrelated people with the same surname, especially from small villages in a rural neighbourhood.

(Admittedly Baker isn't a particulalry unusual name - however I have come across the situation in another time and place where three siblings did happen to marry individuals with the same but unrelated names. So you can't be too careful)

As a precaustion I've asked the GRO for John Baker's marriage certificate - that should at least confirm his father's name and occupation

Cheers Alan

[Newfloridian]

... and surprise, surprise: I was looking to see what happened to Mary Claypole (William Baker's wife) when I came across a marriage between first cousins. William and Mary's son John Baker married Caroline Mayes, the daughter of John Mayes and Mary's sister, Ann Claypole.

Nothing like keeping it in the family! I gather this is one example of what social anthropologists call endogamous marriage.

Alan

[Newfloridian]

As a precaution I've asked the GRO for John Baker's marriage certificate - that should at least confirm his father's name and occupation

Well, the marriage certificate arrived this morning and that's thrown me a "curved ball". John Baker names his father as wheelwright George Baker!! Nothing else on the certificate to help (witnesses were I think Sarah's brother, John, and sister Elizabeth Claypole).

It is odd because I haven't been able to find any reference in the usual places to a George Baker who would fit the bill. The requirements? Born about 1775 and living in Empingham.

One thought: Could John's father have actually been Edward George Baker?

Many thanks

Alan

[Newfloridian]

Hmm! I might just have answered that one myself.

I have found Edward Baker, two of his sons (William and Thomas) and his daughter (Elizabeth) in the 1841 census now living in Lyddington. His occupation is entered as wheelwright

Alan