Thomas Mark Moody

[Lucy2]

I was having a quick look on Archway for TMM but didn't come up with anything.

http://archway.archives.govt.nz

RCers: Why wouldn't there be a divorce file?

Hi Twiggy

First wife Mary Ann, had died before he remarried in 1931 ... (I think that right ).

   ~   Lu

[zumaro]

Yes it is the printout I ordered and not the certificate - I have made that mistake before already...
Mary Ann died in 1926 I think, so there is no divorce. However there was a separation order in 1918 that I have found in the papers. This attachment is from the Dominion February 12 1918.

From what I understand 'the family' sued Thomas Mark, so I think that Mary Ann had the backing of the children as well.  How rare was this kind of thing in 1918?

[zumaro]

The certificate from Thomas Moody's second marriage arrived, and I suppose we wouldn't expect it to do anything except muddy the waters....  So he was born at sea, with parents John and Sarah Moody, John being a ship's carpenter.  Which may or may not fit in with his death certificate which says he was born in Goole Yorkshire.

How does one proceed with making anything of this, either verifying it or declaring it all to be nonsense...

And my apologies - at this stage this really belongs in the other thread about his birth!

[zumaro]

Actually Goole is an inland port city, so at least this part does fit together - ships could be involved...

[spades]

Hi Zumaro,

I haven't been following your topics recently, but did you find a Mark Thomas MOODY born in or near Goole?

I would have thought that since he was the informant at his own wedding, 'At sea' would be a more reliable statement than a place of birth (presumably) provided for his death certificate by his widow who might only have recalled conversations about Goole.

Unless you think Mark Thomas MOODY was being deliberately evasive...

Spades

Edit: name corrected. Spades

[zumaro]

I am reading through the previous thread, and intriguingly there are a William and Sarah Moody from Goole, William being a joiner by trade. Sarah seems to have died in 1858. But they don't have a son Thomas (as far as anyone can see). There are some Thomas Moody's born in Goole but too early or too late, and not with the right parents.

Where on dry land are births at sea registered!? Why would he be born at sea, if the family wasn't travelling, unless Sarah just happened to be into whaling or observing transits of Venus or something as well... I am not sure this man is telling the truth

[spades]

John MOODY, ship's carpenter.

William MOODY, joiner.

Pretty much the same job, except in the latter the ground keeps moving.

As far as I know births at sea would be registered at port of entry/arrival, if at all. Sometimes they were only noted in newspaper reports of a passenger ship's arrival, along with deaths, but often not even then.

Spades

[spades]

I've just had a read through your other topic and was struck by this information in Reply#21:

...baptism record:

25 Dec 1857, Goole Snaith Chapels
Moody, Son, B 30 Nov 1857
Father : William, a Joiner
Mother: Sarah Markhamsamuel
Residence: Goole

Mothers surname clearly looks odd, so looked a little further and found this marriage:

21 May 1856 Winterton, Lincolnshire
William Moody of Full Age, Bachelor, Joiner of Goole, York.  Father: John Moody, Farmer
Sarah Markham of Full Age, Spinster of Winterton.  Father Samuel Markham, Labourer
Wit: Samuel Markham, William Dent

I cant immediately see a baptism for Thomas Markham in 1855, but Freereg has plenty of Markham baptisms around that time, including an Edwin.

Did Thomas recall his grandfather's name instead of his father's name at his second marriage?

If his father was a ship's carpenter it would lend a sliver of credence to Thomas MOODY being born 'At sea'.

On the face of it William and Sarah seem likely prospects, and that baptism record the correct one.

Spades

[TwiggyTree]

We have a lass born at sea as well.  Not officially registered on land anywhere.  However the ships manifest made note of it.  Just thought you might like to file that away.