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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 14:02 GMT (UK) »
Is it just me?   Things just don't seem to add up?   

The possible brother Francis born 12/5/1890 Bristol was a plain Francis (tree states Francis Ernest)  was the son of a Charles Sidney Edwards and wife Mary Ann.

The only Alice Edwards bc.1905 Bristol was the dau. of a Sidney and Annie.

The fact that 'Sali' appears on her death entry lends some credence to the marriage of an Alice Amelia Edmonds to Mohamet Sali 1932 Cardiff.  Added to that is this added name on 1939 Register. 

As already mentioned, Alice Amelia Edmonds was the daughter of an Albert Edmonds bc.1882 Bristol who married a Harriet Mansfield bc.1881 in 1903 Bristol.   It looks like in 1939 Register Albert is listed as Albert R.?  (Is this 'R' for Richard I wonder).  However, he dies in Dec.1963 Bristol as plain Albert.   I don't know if things went wrong for Albert and Harriet after 1913 - a daughter Harriet was born in 1913 but no more after, nor can I find an appropriate death index entry for a Harriet Edmonds. 

Since your Alice's death entry is as Alice Sali Davids with a birth date of 19/3/1905 I think I would get the birth certificate of Alice Amelia Edmonds to establish if her birthdate was indeed this date.  If so, I think this is your Alice.

Perhaps she and first husband Sali never actually divorced so she passed herself off as single again and changed her name to Edwards.  We could hypothesize forever.   

I think the birth certificate of Alice Amelia Edmonds has to be a must, to confirm if same birthdate.

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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 14:07 GMT (UK) »
Looks as if you've come to the same conclusion as I have Annette.
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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 14:37 GMT (UK) »
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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 14:49 GMT (UK) »
So as I see it Derek, to be really sure you need to get a couple of certificates:

Alice Amelia Edmond's birth:

Births Jun 1905 
Edmonds    Alice Amelia       
Bristol    6a   15

and her marriage to Sali

Marriages Sep 1932   
Edmonds    Alice A    Mohamet Sali    Cardiff   

Mohamet    Sali    Edmonds    Cardiff    11a   936    
Sali    Mohamet    Edmonds    Cardiff    11a   936

Once you have those it may answer a lot of questions.

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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 15 March 17 16:16 GMT (UK) »
If this is your gran (mum or dad's mum?) Didn't they know her DOB?
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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 16 March 17 07:28 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the 1939 entry I am not convinced that Sali refers to another surname used by Alice, but rather a first name. If you look at entries on the pages round about it is evident that all changes to surnames are done in capital letters while changes to first names are in capital then lower case, as a Sali is. Also her death entry would point to Sali being used as a middle name. It could be a pet version of Alice by which she was more generally known.
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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #51 on: Thursday 16 March 17 08:45 GMT (UK) »
I think it is far too much of a coincidence, given all the records we've found that there isn't some connection with Mohamet Sali. It's possible that for some reason she used her first marriage surname as a middle name. I agree, it isn't a change of name on the 1939, but part of her known name.

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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #52 on: Thursday 16 March 17 09:04 GMT (UK) »
I'm a little put out that you have only acknowledged Carol's reply when several of us spent hours looking up information for you, including how we think the name Sali was obtained?

I'd already suggested that to Derek back in 2015. The 1932 Mohamet Sali marriage was not new information found on here. Ditto Edmonds/Edwards
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Re: I am trying to locate my grandmother's birth certificate Alice Edwards
« Reply #53 on: Thursday 16 March 17 09:16 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that Jon, so it looks as if Derek already had what we found here. At least, with different people all coming to the same conclusion there must be something in it!

As we've said before Derek, the only way to be sure is to get those certificates, it will be money well spent if you really want to know the truth.
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