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Hackney birth request
« on: Wednesday 22 March 17 21:51 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to establish the date of birth of Philip West Elen. He was born in Hackney some time between 1812 and 1820. Thanks for any help.

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Re: Hackney birth request
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 March 17 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Baptised 25.9.1815 St John Hackney parents Philip & Eliza.  Philip was a merchant.  No birthdate shown. Address Upper Grove Hackney
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 March 17 22:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Carole - does it actually specify "West" as his middle name?

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Re: Hackney birth request
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 March 17 22:50 GMT (UK) »
yes, it does
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Re: Hackney birth request
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 March 17 00:27 GMT (UK) »
Thank you  :)

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Re: Hackney birth request
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 March 17 12:31 GMT (UK) »
there is also Henry who may be a brother but mother named as Elizabeth
Baptism
11 Jan 1821 St John Hackney
Henry Elen son of Phillip & Elizabeth
father's occ Merchant
address Terrace Hy

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Hackney birth request
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 March 17 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Philip Elen (bachelor, of St Nicholas Acons in the City of London) married Elizabeth West (spinster, otp) at St John, Hackney, 24 Sep 1814.

Witnesses: Mary West, M West.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Hackney birth request
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 23 March 17 12:55 GMT (UK) »
there is a tree on A******y which names Phillip West Elen as being the son of Leonard Elen and siblings b Oxford Surrey etc - don't think this has been very well sourced

This looks like Phillip West Elen

1841
Portland Row leamington Warwicks
Phillip Elan 50 merchant no
Elizabeth 55 ind No
Phillip 25 landscape Painter No
Mary Bimberley? servant Yes
HO107 1135 15 12 8 10

1851
3 Porteus Row Paddington Mx
Mrs Elen Head 63 Housekeeper Wid Wapping
Philip Elan son U 35 Landscape Painter Hackney
Mary West sister U 65 Fund Holder Wapping
Matilda Phillips 18 servant Paddington
HO107 1466 145 14

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Re: Hackney birth request
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 23 March 17 21:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all your replies.

The censuses and marriage are definitely correct. The baptism of Henry also seems to relate to a brother, but what does the Hy in the address "Terrace Hy" stand for?

Leonard is definitely not Philip West's father, but his brother Philip might be. However, that Philip was probably born or baptised in Sussex in Oct 1786, not in St Nicholas Acons in the City of London as stated in the marriage. Is there any baptism of a Philip Elen in London around 1786 to 1792, which would rule the Sussex Philip out?

Also, is there a death between 1841 and 1851 for the father Philip in Middlesex and for the mother Elizabeth West Elen about 1857, probably in Islington?

Many thanks for all your help  :)
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