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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #36 on: Friday 31 March 17 13:23 BST (UK) »
'lying in the Baitschailhauche' makes it more difficult to understand?

Fasti ecclesiae scoticanae is too small to read.

Annie

Hmm, it's looking like one of those unsolvable ones. ???

The only thing that makes sense is something along the lines of "lying in the, Parish/barony/lands of...."

How frustrating.

Yeah, the FES is very small. I had to use zoom to read it.

Jill
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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #37 on: Friday 31 March 17 13:33 BST (UK) »
It's pertaining to William Small so wherever he was?

May find him on scotlandsplaces in their tax rolls or similar?

Annie
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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #38 on: Friday 31 March 17 13:52 BST (UK) »
It's pertaining to William Small so wherever he was?

May find him on scotlandsplaces in their tax rolls or similar?

Annie

Will do this now, will post if I find anything.

Jill
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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #39 on: Friday 31 March 17 14:42 BST (UK) »
Not had much luck. Will have to search later on today as need to go out for a while.

Not accustomed to searching Scotland's Places yet to narrow down with names and the area in question. I will work it out though! :)
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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #40 on: Friday 31 March 17 21:46 BST (UK) »
Found something else.

I came across a document whilst searching Scotland's Places. I noticed that the 1841 census which has 15 year old Leonard and his father Leonard Small living at Blackhill, Airlie fell under the lands of Robert Clerk Rattray. Coupar Feu also falls under this.

There is a close link between the Smalls and the Rattrays and I'm wondering if this is why a few Smalls have been found at these locations?

Very interesting find I think.

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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
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Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #41 on: Friday 31 March 17 23:06 BST (UK) »
On FindMyPast Newspaper search there is a mention in the Caledonian Mercury  of 15 Nov 1744 of some sort of legal action "depending before the Lords of Session, at the instance of Leonard Small in Tarvie, against Spalding of Assintully and his Creditors".   Assintully is modern day Ashintully.
GRAY - Inveresk; Lanarkshire
LINDSAY - Lanarkshire
PURDIE - Lanarkshire; W. Lothian
POZZI - Elgin; Lancashire
MACKENZIE, MORISON - Stornoway
ARCHIBALD, HAY, HUNTER, SNADDON - Clackmannanshire
COXON, HALL, JACKSON, SHOTTON - Northumberland

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 01 April 17 03:34 BST (UK) »
On FindMyPast Newspaper search there is a mention in the Caledonian Mercury  of 15 Nov 1744 of some sort of legal action "depending before the Lords of Session, at the instance of Leonard Small in Tarvie, against Spalding of Assintully and his Creditors".   Assintully is modern day Ashintully.

Interesting. Looks like it's some sort of financial debt owed perhaps?

A Leonard Small and Ann(e) Robertson had 2 children in Moulin around this time. I will assume it's the same Leonard Small here.

Details of the children they had;

Christian Small b. 28/10/1728     Kirkmichael        :o Twins!
Anna Small b. 28/10/1728           Kirkmichael
Alexander Small b. 09/03/1730    Kirkmichael
Patrick Small b. 28/07/1737    Moulin
Leonard Small b. 02/07/1744    Moulin

Leonard Small and an Anna Robertson married in Moulin on 21/03/1727.

Anna must've come from Moulin also as only one entry came up for this marriage for the entirety of Scotland.

I've noticed a very hefty amount of different Small men marrying a Robertson lady in Moulin and Kirkmichael. Would this be some sort of agreement between the families perhaps?

Also I notice the latter two children born above were born in Moulin in comparison to Kirkmichael, so they either moved or the boundaries had changed. Having looked at older maps the areas in which my Smalls lived were extremely close to parish borders. So this could be a redefining of those perhaps between 1730 and 1737?

Interestingly Leonard and Ann(e)(a) didn't have any children after 1744 and this article was posted in November 1744. Potentially some financial reason there with that decision  ??? ???

Jill

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Kincardineshire
Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 01 April 17 03:45 BST (UK) »
Not sure about an agreement re marrying same surnames.

In those days the population was so much less & in rural places it was likely a lot of people married same surnames given large families within those areas?

I have noticed this in Uist, many of same surnames marrying.

I also came across the name Leonard Robertson last night (a few) so the name is in both surnames

This is one...

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01juk/

Annie
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Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 01 April 17 03:51 BST (UK) »
A Leonard Small and Ann(e) Robertson had 2 children in Moulin around this time. I will assume it's the same Leonard Small here.

Details of the children they had;

Christian Small b. 28/10/1728     Kirkmichael        :o Twins!
Anna Small b. 28/10/1728           Kirkmichael
Alexander Small b. 09/03/1730    Kirkmichael
Patrick Small b. 28/07/1737    Moulin
Leonard Small b. 02/07/1744    Moulin

Leonard Small and an Anna Robertson married in Moulin on 21/03/1727.

Interestingly Leonard and Ann(e)(a) didn't have any children after 1744 and this article was posted in November 1744. Potentially some financial reason there with that decision  ??? ???

Hmm,

That may be purely coincidence given the births were over a period of 17 yrs & depending on their ages at time of marriage?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"