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Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« on: Sunday 02 April 17 14:11 BST (UK) »
I'm helping my distant aunty Elaine - we know we are related because my Aunty married her cousin,  but her family came to Australia about 100 years before I did. I thought you might be able to help us solve a family mystery.

We know her grandmother became a ward of the State in Victoria some where in the late 1880s or the early 1890's. 2 of her brothers are also Wards at the same time. Her name was Elizabeth Annie BANKS or ANDERSON (from the index of the register) there are also 2 of her brothers Robert and Thomas on the same index.

I want to find the reason why, so I have tracked her great grandmother and most of the siblings, and made this chart - I hope it makes sense as the mother's name changes.

BANKS CHILDREN - THOMAS IS THE FATHER ON ALL RECORDS
      
ANN    b1883 d1887 Mothers name at birth Euphemia Anderson mothers name on death Kate Ramsay Ann died aged 4.
THOMAS   b1885 mothers name    Katie Ramsay   haven't found death yet.
ANNIE ELIZABETH b 1887   d1962 Mothers name at birth Kate Anderson    mothers name at death Annie Ramsay   
ROBERT b1889 d 1918 Mothers name on birth Kate Anderson Mothers name on death Ramsay
STEPHEN   1892   1951   Mothers name on birth Cath Euphemia Anderson   name on death is Euphimia Anderson
1892 police gazette article - Thomas is charged with deserting as he leaves Euphemia with 4 children in Albury.

I am presuming the children that he deserted are Thomas, Elizabeth Annie, Robert and Stephen. Elizabeth, Robert and Thomas ended up in care but I am unsure of the date.

She went on and had at least 2 children where Thomas is named as the father.

John in 1898 mothers name is listed as Euphemia Anderson (haven't found death yet)
William in 1901 mothers name is listed as Kate Ramsay - William died under a year old and his mother at death is also Kate Ramsay.

I have found a birth certificate for Euphemia Anderson with a mother whos name is Euphemia Ramsey (or Ransey)

Ask all the questions you like - this one is worse than the cryptic crossword.

Thanks for reading,

cheers, Ted
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Re: Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 April 17 00:21 BST (UK) »
Ted have you considered when Euphemia or Thomas were registering the births and when asked 'Mother's maiden name' has/have given Euphemia's mother's details.  Euphemia, the dau, may also have been known as Catherine/Kate/Katie.

Trawling the CD for the period, I note that Peter ANDERSON and Euphemia RAMSAY married in 1862 and had six children to 1872 and including Euphemia in 1862 at Williamstown.

Marriage
ANDERSON Euphemia  Born Williamstown
BANKS Thomas   Born Sandridge
1882  Reg#31342

Do you have any certificates?

Cheers
Cando
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Re: Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 April 17 00:30 BST (UK) »
Is this your Euphemia BANKS nee ANDERSON death.  Born c1862

ANDERSON Euphemia
Parents unknown
At Richmond  1902  40 years  Reg#11407

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Re: Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 April 17 00:47 BST (UK) »
No not her.

This appears to be her death -

HAMILTON  Euphemia Kathleen
Father Peter ANDERSON  Mother Euphemia UNKNOWN
At Footscray West  71  1934  Reg#967

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Re: Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 April 17 00:53 BST (UK) »
And her second marriage

BANKS Euphemia Born Williamstown
HAMILTON Robert James   Born Ireland
1904  Reg/7333

This certificate should show her status as widow and any previous children or former marriage.  Bear in mind that not everyone was honest with their information.

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Re: Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 April 17 01:03 BST (UK) »
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Re: Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 April 17 01:03 BST (UK) »
Cando,

I suddenly realized in the shower about half an hour ago that they could have mixed up mothers names on the children's certificates. Which explains the birth certificated but not the death certificate so many years later.

I have Thomas and Euthemia's marriage cert and Euthemia made her mark. Thomas's signature looks very shakey as if he is not used to signing it.

I have just looked again at the cert and one of the witnesses also made her mark - it looks like the witness was Euthemia Ramsey i.e. The brides Mother.

I have Elizabeth Annie's death certificate it was certified by  G Davidson, her son. Mother is listed as Annie Banks, formally Ramsay. and father as Thomas Banks - Butcher.

I am not sure how to find the information for when Elizabeth, Robert and Thomas were in care. It might mean a trip to PROV if I ever find out if they have the records.

Any way Cando - thank you so much for your help once again.

Cheers, Ted
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Re: Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 April 17 01:04 BST (UK) »
Ooops I just received 2 more replies - this one might not make sense now
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Re: Is this the same woman? - Victoria Australia 1880's
« Reply #8 on: Monday 03 April 17 01:07 BST (UK) »
oooh of to PROV (well only via the computer) thanks for the link
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