Author Topic: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?  (Read 2013 times)

Offline Carole Green

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I'm sorry to be asking for help, again.

Could someone with access to the Parish records for Whittlesey please look for the Marriage of William Goodwin, please.

With the help of the GRO birth index, I've found his children born post-1837 are to a mmn, Claypole.  I have no idea when they wed. 

Hints on Ancestry show other people's public trees stating Mary Austin being the mother of  his children.  So I am confused;  Did William Goodwin marry twice, both times to Mary's?  Or was Mary Claypole  a widow (of Mr Austin), when she married Wm Goodwin.

Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
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Re: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 April 17 17:21 BST (UK) »
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? circa 1808 - 1838?

Your header gives a timescale of 30yrs for the marriage - why such a large timescale?

Does the 1841 entry confirm his wife was Mary? 

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I've found his children born post-1837

When was their first child born to give a clue as to a possible marriage date

Were all children b Cambridgeshire?

When children are born to a re-marriage - the widow usually re-marries under her former married name.  However - birth certs of children born to the second marriage will show her maiden name - not her previous married name

So if maiden name is Claypole - you are either looking for a Goodwin/ Claypole marriage or a marriage of (Mary) Claypole to AN Other and a subsequent marriage to Goodwin under AN Others surname
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Re: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 April 17 17:31 BST (UK) »
The 1841 shows William 50 and Mary 40 so there is no way Mary was old enough to have married in 1808

7 children in 1841 age range from 1 - 15yrs

That puts any marriage very roughly 1823 onwards
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Re: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 April 17 17:46 BST (UK) »
Mary is 55 in 1851  ::) so born approx 1796 but still too young to have married in 1808

In 1851 there is a 34 yr old son who is not shown on the 1841 which pushes marriage back to 1817 (ish) 
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Re: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 April 17 18:20 BST (UK) »
From Boyds marriage index

Mary Claypole
Marriage year   1812
Spouse's first name(s)   -
Spouse's last name   -
Place   Whittlesey
County   Cambridgeshire

A similar entry is showing for a William Goodwin  - neither shows who they married
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Re: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 April 17 18:40 BST (UK) »
When children are born to a re-marriage - the widow usually re-marries under her former married name.  However - birth certs of children born to the second marriage will show her maiden name - not her previous married name

In such cases birth certs usually show both names for the mother, i.e. late Smith, formerly Jones
From Sep qtr 1911 the GRO birth indexes gave the mother's maiden name, and now the new index on the GRO website has added that info back to 1837

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Re: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 April 17 19:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your replies. 

I was 'guesstimating' at a start of 1808, when Wm Goodwin would've been 18 so may have been marrying? 

Then the  earliest birth I found to a William & Mary Goodwin was in 1813, at Whittlesey, was on CFHS, (a daughter Sarah).  A probable burial of her, at 3 weeks old also appears in 1813 at Whittlesey.  This would fit in with rosie99's finding of a possible 1812 marriage taking place, although no spouse name is shown, a Mary Clayton married in the same year. 

By counting up the births I found on CFHS, and subsequently additional names on the Census it adds up to possibly fifteen children being born to Wm & Mary.  Between 1813 and 1840.  In my naivity, I half took on board the 'hints' that Ancestry suggested, and other people's trees stated Wm Goodwin had married a Mary Austin. 

I wondered if:- 

(a) Wm Goodwin had married twice, both wives having the same christian name, Mary.  (If so, I didn't want to mistakenly add any child to the wrong mother on my tree). 
Or (b)  Was Mary Austin, and Mary Clayton indeed, one and the same person?   
The only other conclusion I can think is that the Mary Austin 'hints' are just red herrings.

It's such a pity that the transcription of Boyd's Marriage Index doesn't give the spouse's name.  Still, it is a step forward to learn he married in 1812.  And with a possibility just the once, to a Mary Clayton.

But thanks again for all of your input.
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LAVENDER  -  Huntingdonshire 1900 - present
HARBOUR, BARLEY, COOK  -  Peterborough
EVELEIGH, WOOLLOFF -  London 1800 - 1970
NEWBORN, BLAND, CUTLER-  Deeping, Lincs
LITTLEDIKE - Stamford, Lincs
HUDSON, DILLON, REED - Manchester
MORTON - St Neots, Hunts
JAKES - Biggleswade, Beds
RICHARDS, WALPOLE - Barrow, Leics

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Re: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 April 17 21:24 BST (UK) »
Whittlesey St. Mary 
12 December 1812 Marriage
William GOODWIN bac otp to Mary CLAYPOLE sp otp by licence
Witnesses:  William BAKER, William CLAYPOLE, Richard? TODD, Lucy BAKER

12 October 1814 Marriage
William GOODWIN bac otp to Mary AUSTIN sp otp
Witnesses: William STIMPSON, Elizabeth WYEMAN, John SPEECHLY clk

Selina


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Re: Whittlesey, Marriage of William Goodwin to Mary .......? circa 1808 - 1838?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 00:21 BST (UK) »
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In such cases birth certs usually show both names for the mother, i.e. late Smith, formerly Jones
From Sep qtr 1911 the GRO birth indexes gave the mother's maiden name, and now the new index on the GRO website has added that info back to 1837

I have a number of birth certs of children from second marriages from both my maternal and paternal side.  They date from 1888-1901 and in every case they only show the mothers actual maiden name - never her previous married name
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