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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 22:53 BST (UK) »
Lots of discussion of Frances Wright's ancestry:

'Frances "Fannie" Wright, the abolitionist and social activist, might
be eligible. There are bios. of her in both the DNB (under her
married name of "Darusmont") and the DAB. The DAB entry reads, in
part,

"WRIGHT, FRANCES (Sept. 6, 1795-Dec. 13, 1852), reformer, free
thinker, was born in Dundee, Scotland, the daughter of James Wright, a
man of means and radical opinions who promoted the circulation of
Thomas Paine's _Rights of Man_ in his environment. Her mother, who
was part English, was a daughter of Duncan Campbell, an army officer.
Both parents died when Frances was barely two and a half years old,
leaving to the child the heritage of an inquiring mind and a large
fortune. She was brought up and educated by conventional relatives of
her mother in London, but was a difficult and rebellious child and as
soon as her legal status permitted turned her back on London and
returned to Scotland ..."

This is not necessarily promising for someone looking for a royal
line. But William Randall Waterman's biography, _Frances Wright_,
published in 1924 in Columbia University's series, "Studies in
History, Economics and Public Law," is more explicit:

p. 14: "Frances Wright was of Scotch parentage, and was born in
Miln's Buildings, Nethergate, Dundee, the sixth of September, 1795.
Her father, James Wright, was the descendant of a long line of wealthy
merchants, who appear as large property holders in Dundee as early as
the year 1500. On the mother's side she came of both Scotch and
English ancestry. Her maternal grandfather was Duncan Campbell, an
officer in the British army. Her uncle, General William Campbell,
rose to prominence in the Indian service in which he eventually lost
his life. Of her English ancestry the most interesting connections
were her mother's uncle, Richard Robinson, first Baron Rokeby and
Primate of Ireland, and the brilliant Mrs. Montagu, her mother's
great-aunt."

p. 16: a great-uncle was "James Mylne, professor of Moral Philosophy
in the University of Glasgow."

p. 16: "Frances herself, at the wish of her maternal grandfather,
General Duncan Campbell, was taken to England, and brought up as a
ward of chancery in the Campbell home in London, or at Luscombe in
Devonshire."

p. 257: "What remains of the large collection of letters and other
documents left by Frances Wright D'Arusmont is now in the possession
of her grandson, the Reverend William Norman Guthrie, Rector of St.
Mark's-in-the-Bouwerie, New York City."

The "brilliant Mrs. Montagu, her mother's great-aunt" must be,
according to the Oxford DNB--

Montagu [née Robinson], Elizabeth (1718-1800), author and literary
hostess, was born at York on 2 October 1718, the first daughter and
fifth child of Matthew Robinson (1694–1778) of Edgeley and West
Layton, Yorkshire, and his wife, Elizabeth (c.1697–1746), daughter of
Robert Drake, recorder of Cambridge, and his wife, Sarah Morris. A
second daughter, Sarah (1720–1795) [see Scott, Sarah], three infants
who did not survive, and three more living sons completed the Robinson
family. The families of both parents were wealthy and well connected.
Elizabeth's eldest brother, Matthew (1713–1800) [see Morris, Matthew
Robinson-], succeeded his father's cousin, Richard Robinson,
archbishop of Armagh, as second Baron Rokeby in the Irish peerage in
1794. Mrs Robinson's brother Morris Drake Morris inherited the large
Kent holdings of their maternal grandfather, Thomas Morris, about
1717.

Does anybody know of any royal lines for these people?'

'The IGI has an extracted record for the marriage, 11 April 1792 at
Dundee, of James Wright and Camilla Elisth. Campbell. This must be the
marriage of Fannie's parents, as she had a sister Camilla.

The marriage of her maternal grandparents may be that of Duncan
Campbell to Jane Robinson, 16 July 1776 at St. Leonard's Shoreditch,
London, but that's making Camilla Campbell awfully young at marriage.'

'The ODNB bio. of Mrs. Montagu's brother, Matthew Robinson-Morris, 2nd
Baron Rokeby, states that they were descendants of Rev. Matthew
Robinson (1628-1694), also covered in the ODNB, the son of "Thomas
Robinson, barrister of Gray's Inn, and his wife, Frances, daughter of
Leonard Smelt, of Kirby Fleetham, Yorkshire."

P. 104 of the 1665 Yorkshire Visitation ("Smelt of Kirby Fleetham")
shows that Frances (Smelt) Robinson was granddaughter of an Anne
(Conyers) Smelt. This line might eventually yield an RD....'

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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 22:53 BST (UK) »
'Opps, forgot to post this link.
http://tinyurl.com/49af8

p. 91 also looks promising ...'

'Of course, p. 34 is even more pertinent ...

(Also, I didn't notice that Rev. Matthew Robinson [d. 1694] had no
children--so these later Robinsons would have to be descendants of one
of this brothers.)'

'Hello,

Fannie Wright's uncle, William Campbell, has a substantial entry in
Duncan Campbell's _Records of clan Campbell in the military service of
the honourable East India Company: 1600-1858_ (London: Longman, Green,
1925), pp. 268-269:

"235. WILLIAM CAMPBELL (Bengal).
Son of Major-Genl. Duncan Campbell, Royal Marines, of Greenock (d.
1809).
[here follows various details of his military career which began with
his commission as a Cadet in 1783 and ended with his commission as a
Deputy Adjutant General in 1803]
Killed, 1 Nov. 1803, in action against the Mahrattas, at Saswarree.
[details concerning his death]
Will dated Camp at Coel, 30 Aug. 1803; proved in London, 27 May 1805.
Mentions:
Sisters: Frances Campbell & Elizabeth Camilla Wright & her daus.
Frances and Camilla and son Richard.
He had property in the provinces of Bengal, Behar, and Orissa, and in
the Zemindary of Benares."

There seems to be a passing reference to Maj.-Gen. Duncan at:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-ARGYLL/2000-05/0957277313
suggesting that he had Caribbean connections.

This looks like a promising royal line but I can't find anything
further of Maj.-Gen. Duncan Campbell. I've checked the PCC and
Scottish Documents Online will indexes and can find no sign of him.

Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams

John Brandon wrote:
Sitat:
Frances "Fannie" Wright, the abolitionist and social activist, might
be eligible. There are bios. of her in both the DNB (under her
married name of "Darusmont") and the DAB. The DAB entry reads, in
part,

<snip>

On the mother's side she came of both Scotch and
Sitat:
English ancestry. Her maternal grandfather was Duncan Campbell, an
officer in the British army. Her uncle, General William Campbell,
rose to prominence in the Indian service in which he eventually lost
his life.

<snip>'

'Thank you for posting this. I checked the 18th ed. of Burke's _Landed
Gentry_, which has a bunch of Campbell families, and couldn't connect
this line up. Of course, all the Campbells seem to have greatly
favored the names "Duncan" and "Dugald," so that doesn't help matters.'

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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 23:19 BST (UK) »
Wrights of Harthill

1724 Hannah OLDALE married Joseph Wright at Beighton

http://bradsport.com/cJohnorJonathanOldale/b6043.htm

Francis Greaves, b. 1648, m. Sarah Ibbotson, 29 June 1673. (A relative of Elizabeth Ibbordson?)
 
GENERATION 3
 
CHILDREN OF FRANCIS GREAVES (2)
Francis Greaves (3) was born in 1648 in Beighton, Derbyshire (now Yorkshire).  He married Sarah Ibbotson on 29 June 1673 in Beighton, Derbyshire.  She was born in 1652 in Beighton.  Beighton is only about 6 miles northwest of Harthill, both near Sheffield.  (R‑1)
Children - Greaves
+4.   George Greaves, b.c. 1670, m. Hannah Hawksworth, 24 June 1697.
 
GENERATION 4
 
CHILDREN OF FRANCIS GREAVES (3) AND SARAH IBBOTSON
George Greaves (4) was born about 1670 in Beighton, Derbyshire (now Yorkshire).  He married Hannah Hawksworth on 24 June 1697 in Beighton.  (R‑1)
Children - Greaves
+5.   John Greaves, b. 1705, m(1) Helen Ottwell, 5 April 1724, m(2) Margaret Wright, d. 19 March 1779.
 
GENERATION 5
 
CHILDREN OF GEORGE GREAVES (4) AND HANNAH HAWKSWORTH
John Greaves (5) was born in 1705 in Beighton, Derbyshire (now Yorkshire), and died 19 March 1779 in Harthill, Yorkshire.  He married Helen Ottwell on 5 April 1724 in Beighton.  She was born in 1703 in Beighton, and died 24 Oct. 1739 in Harthill.  He married second Margaret Wright.  She was born 15 Nov. 1696 in Harthill.  It seems that the last two children of John must have been by her.  All John’s children were born in Harthill.  (R‑1)
Children - Greaves
    6.  John Greaves, b. 17 Jan. 1724.
+7.   William Greaves, b. 7 May 1727, m. Mary Holden, 1746, d. 31 May 1815.
    8.  Hannah Greaves, b. 19 April 1730.
    9.  Francis Graves, b. April 1733.
    10.   Richard Greaves, b. May 1737, d. 1737.
+11.   Ellen Greaves, b. 28 Oct. 1744, m. William Lidster, 1 July 1766, d. 1827.
    12.   George Greaves, b. April 1747.

https://www.gravesfa.org/gen978.htm

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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #57 on: Thursday 20 April 17 19:49 BST (UK) »
Bushy Park in London

Well, I have at least discovered who lived at Bushy Park in London in 1788.

It was Lord North, the Prime Minister.

Frederick North - Lord North


Frederick North, 2nd Earl of Guilford (1732-1792) - Lord North

'Frederick North, 2nd Earl of Guilford, KG, PC (13 April 1732 – 5 August 1792), more often known by his courtesy title, Lord North, which he used from 1752 until 1790, was Prime Minister of Great Britain from 1770 to 1782. He led Great Britain through most of the American War of Independence. He also held a number of other cabinet posts, including Home Secretary and Chancellor of the Exchequer.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_North,_Lord_North

Furthermore, Lord North actually did have an intimate friend named James Wright:

'A confidential friend of Lord North's (Mr. James Wright), who was sent to enquire the particulars of the printer, and inspect the MS. of these Letters, informed me that the MS. was written in such large characters, that no similitude of hand could be traced in it.'

https://books.google.no/books?id=JGM3AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA604&lpg=PA604&dq=%22Mr.+James+Wright%22+Lord+North&source=bl&ots=Bx5De3K10A&sig=3GQE1osmbIky5WK5vF5aK9_yccY&hl=no&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6z7Ha1rPTAhUF3iwKHTk9DdMQ6AEIIjAA#v=onepage&q=%22Mr.%20James%20Wright%22%20Lord%20North&f=false

Bushy House



'Bushy House was originally built in 1663 by William Samwell for Edward Proger, at a cost of £4000, as a keeper's lodge in what was at the time North Park. Proger had been made ranger of Bushy Park to reward him for his loyalty to King Charles II during his exile.
It was rebuilt and repaired by Charles Montagu from 1713 to 1715 after he had bought the three parks from the Duchess of Cleveland. The house then passed to Charles' cousin George Montague (1715–1737) and then to George's son George Montague-Dunk (1737–1771). From 1771 to 1792, it was occupied by Lord North the Prime Minister.

In 1797, after the death of both Lord North and his wife, King George III appointed his son, William, Duke of Clarence, as Ranger of Bushy Park, carrying with it residence at Bushy House. The future King William IV and his mistress Dorothy Jordan[2] lived there together with their ten children until the couple's relationship came to an end in 1811. William continued living in Bushy House with the FitzClarence children and later his wife Princess Adelaide after they married in 1818. When at 6am on 26 June 1830 a messenger from London arrived at Bushy House with the news that the King was dead and that William was now king'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushy_House


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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #58 on: Thursday 20 April 17 22:15 BST (UK) »
Possibly a portrait of the first cousin of James Wright.

She looks a bit young to have had her first child by 1755, but ...

Mary White 1770 - By George Romney (1734-1802)

'Hand painted reproduction of Portrait of Mary White 1770 painting. This masterpiece was painted originally by George Romney. Commission your beautiful handpainted'

http://www.oceansbridge.com/oil-paintings/product/73852/portraitofmarywhite1770

George Romney (26 December 1734 Dalton-in-Furness, Lancashire – 15 November 1802 Kendal, Westmorland) was an English portrait painter. He was the most fashionable artist of his day, painting many leading society figures – including his artistic muse, Emma Hamilton, mistress of Lord Nelson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Romney_(painter)

George Romney (1734–1802) - More information about the artist here:

http://mikerendell.com/george-romney-1734-%E2%80%93-1802-an-artist-obsessed-with-emma-hamilton/


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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #59 on: Friday 21 April 17 00:30 BST (UK) »
... It is said that he inherited the house from the Boucherett family because he was related...

'Said' by whom?

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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #60 on: Friday 21 April 17 01:17 BST (UK) »
I cannot find a direct connection between the Boucheretts and Lord North socially, except this, which I thought very interesting.

It does not necessarily mean that the the two knew each other, but it is still very interesting indeed:

'Even the dishabille of such a man is worth remembering. It consisted of a white cotton night cap, a brown old greatcoat, a grey silk quilted waistcoat, dark casimir breeches and boots. In his stature he is tall and lusty, though his tallness is concealed by his being so ill of foot. His face is large and protuberant so as to remind me, as his person likewise did, of old Mr. Boucherett and Lord North. (Parkinson, 1971, 206)'

https://books.google.no/books?id=DemoCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA190&lpg=PA190&dq=Lord+North+Boucherett&source=bl&ots=rG57LSA5uU&sig=QP66lF2jkVQNy9v2mlyYl03nZQQ&hl=no&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs8oWK77PTAhUIXiwKHU9eDdIQ6AEIQzAE#v=onepage&q=Lord%20North%20Boucherett&f=false

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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #61 on: Friday 21 April 17 01:30 BST (UK) »
Some information regarding our possible James Wright, Sir James Wright (1747–1816), the 2nd Baronet:

'Sir James Wright, second baronet, the eldest son of the last royal governor of Georgia, had served during the Revolution of as Major in the Regiment of Georgia Loyalists. On the defeat of the British, he retired to England and settled at Little Ealing, County Middlesex. There the relatives of his wife, Sarah Williamson Smith, found a ready welcome. In family tradition, however, Sir James is remembered as a crotchety old gentleman, whose exile was embittered by the contrast of his former prominence in America. Sir James died without issue in 1816, and the title, dating from 1772 and listed in the baronetage as "Wright of Georgia," passed to his grand-nephew.'

https://books.google.no/books?id=ZLo34_zKUCgC&pg=PA274&lpg=PA274&dq=%22Sir+James+Wright%22+Sarah+Williamson+Smith&source=bl&ots=Cxm4FgDXm7&sig=y4Xy0EovWJdnhN6Vm9GqQ00O9LM&hl=no&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22Sir%20James%20Wright%22%20Sarah%20Williamson%20Smith&f=false

Doesn't the description crotchety old gentleman fit the tone of the letter quite well?

The James Wright of the letter clearly cares about Mary, which does him credit. But there is a crotchety old gentleman feel to it, rather.

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Re: Wright of Anston hall
« Reply #62 on: Friday 21 April 17 08:27 BST (UK) »
Gee Willow, where are you getting all this stuff? You need to write a book I think.  ;D

One question. If all the members of the Wright family of Anston Hall, are always known by the surname Wright, why do you think that Mary White = Mary Wright?

Wright is a simple and extremely common surname that you would not expect there to be any confusion over, especially when those involved are well to do and literate.  :-\

Is it possible that Mary White is her real name, and she is not Mary Wright?