William Grundy mariner b approx 1806

[brigidmac]

Thanks Heywood
They were old enough to be working
Could they have been using a different surname ?

If they are the children of Harriet and William Grundy could they also have been in some kind of institution

[brigidmac]

 I only have age 62 for the William Grundy mariner on ship 1869 born in Falmouth
Wonder if that could be Farnworth Lancs ? As there is a William Grundy at King street Farnworth in 1851. He's a labourer



There is a William Grundy convicted for warehouse breaking in 1838 10 years transportation to NSW

[brigidmac]

How about 1841 Flat street Bury lancs
Living with publican
Mary Grundy /Grandy age 50
Sarah age 20
Ann 14
And other children Eliza 12 Jane 10

[brigidmac]

Do you think the Sarah Grundy living with the Healey's in 1841 could actually have shaved 10 years off her age and married Edward Healey ? After having  Mary Ann with him ...?

Still doesn't explain where  14 year old Ann Grundy was
Maybe she was actually Sarah.s daughter not sister !

* Oops ....She.d have to have shaved 20 years off    to be 26 in 1851 .....ditzy moment too many late night Grundy hunts  I think .

[brigidmac]

There is a baptism

Sarah Grundy Oct 1827  single mother Mary Grundy  Ringley lancs

Could this be same lady as publican in Bury with our missing Sarah and Ann .


If i assume William and Harriet s Sarah and Ann are not ours then i also have to find them in other censuses for elimination
Am in awe of people who can post documents or clippings and order their findings coherently
Am surrounded by Grundy notes on papers and trying to link families
Have eliminated the cotton dyers weavers and mechanics

Looking for links between the mariners and publicans with the Healey family
-Will attempt A summary when I've checked a few facts and looked for places on map can't find Ringley lancs. 

[brigidmac]

Summary
I now believe that William Grundy  named as father on
Sarah  and Anne Grundy .s wedding papers to Edward and George HEALEY

 NOT the same mariner as

William Grundy  mariner who married Harriet  Northeast  1827

He is based in Liverpool wedding and children's baptism s

Sarah and Ann baptised  July 1827    occ. Mariner
William                                        1829.  Occ warehouse man
George                                         1832. Occ labourer

By 1841 his sons were in workhouse

I don't know what became of HIS daughters and wife Harriet .
But son William followed a mariner career ... died at sea 1883
Son george had a criminal career for a while

 Was William Grundy  the elder prosecuted for felony in 1831

Or sent to NSW in 1838 for ten years
There is a case of warehouse breaking in Cheshire in 1849 fits with his occupation in 1832
..William Grundy sentenced to ten years


OUR  William Grundy may not have been based in Liverpool at all !

He may not have legally married his daughters'  mother


censuses  show elder daughter Sarah was been born in LONDON 1821-1823

Which makes her a bit old to be daughter of Sarah Grundy aged 36 in 1841    tho not impossible
If Sarah Grundy was not the mother what is her connection to Healey family in 1841
Daughter

Daughter Ann from census born between 1828 and 1830
Too late to be on the 1827 baptisms !

Our William may be the mariner from LEICESTERSHIRE
Age 35 staying with his mother Mary aged 60 and siblings in 1841

He could be the 63 year old mariner cook who turns up in 1868 B Falmouth

William Grundy of king street Farnsworth lancs. Aged 51 in 1851 labourer
wife Ellen age 38
Mary 19 .James 18 .Mary Ann 14 + others

I keep doing the same searches

I.ve just learnt to use the shoe box function on ancestry so i can save records which are possibles

[brigidmac]

Have been told there was a John Grundy age 23 b1818 Falmouth Cornwall merchant seaman records 1835-1857 could be a brother to Falmouth  william

[heywood]

Sadly, I can't see anything of any help. 

[brigidmac]

Thanks for trying I keep finding things that don't quite fit

Found a Sarah Grundy on her own in 1841 with Edward Savile engineer
family ashton under-Lyme
 only 10  so too young to be ours

Interestingly their 9 year old daughterGrace Savile is down as being a piercer
It's the youngest I've seen working  her 15 year old sister is a cotonweaver