Another shove in the right direction

[Comberton]

Midland registers for 1950 & 1955

Doreen with possibly grown up children and Joseph Worton
No William
 Address 3 Bertha Buildings, Birmingham

[jaybelnz]

Something that might help - I have picked up a marriage on Ancestry for them on the "England and Wales Civil Registration Marriage Index" - VOLUME 6D Page 11

 Reg. Jan, Feb, Mar. 1918 at Kings Norton, Worcestershire.

Also a 1911 census entry, in Birmingham for Doreen - with her parents and siblings.

I have taken screen shots of them, if you PM me your email addres I can send them to you, don't think we're allowed to post them on here.

[jim1]

An interesting entry on the 1918 Absent Voter's list:
103 Heeley Rd. Selly Oak:
Bert A.T. Ogborn
William Shuter Pte. 34474 No. 6 FA RAMC.
Unfortunately no service/pension records for him survived.
Was awarded 15 Star, BW & V Medals.
As you know there are a few William Shuter's in B'ham so the marriage cert. is the way to go.
The only clue re his age is that he went overseas 20/1/15. Officially he should have been 19 by this time, but he might have lied about how old he was.
Also he would have been 21 by 1918 as this was the minimum voting age.
As you probably know there are 3 on the 1901 census but only 2 were registered both 1898 B'ham.
The 3rd. appears to be the illegitimate son of Emma Shuter.
William Shuter   56
Emma Shuter   52
Emma Shuter   21
Edwin Shuter   16
Thomas Shuter   13
May Shuter   10
William Shuter   3 G/son.
1901: RG13; Piece: 2888; Folio: 144; Page: 16
Emma Shuter married in 1904 but no William with her.
Mother also Emma appears in 1911 but no William with her either.
The only William that appears in 1911 is the son of James & Eliza Shuter nee Rathbone.
1901: RG13; Piece: 2889; Folio: 46; Page: 33

[kitch59]

well after some digging in a bag of bits left by my mother i found a copy of William and Doreens marriage cert, it lists William as 23 in 1918 and a soldier, his father is Alfred Shuter a carpenter.
and the address at the time is 103 Heeley rd
I had a search of the 1901 census but could not find an Alfred Shuter with a 5-6 year old son called William, any suggestions to get the brain working, feeling frazzled at the moment.lol

wayne

[crisane]

There is an Alfred Shuter age 23 with his parents William and Ann in 1881 census born Birmingham. Both William and Alfred are carpenters. RG11 piece 3084 folio 83 page 71.
I haven't followed him through the census as yet.

[crisane]

He's with his wife Fanny and children in 1891  RG12 Piece 2435 Folio 104 Page 4
I can't see him in 1901 as yet
In 1911 he seems to be in Worcestershire. You need to look at this census record to determine who is with him. We are not allowed to give details.

[jim1]

Without anything to back it up it may be a case of William being the illegitimate son of Emma Shuter & Alfred Shuter. The 2 that were registered are both from married couples neither father being Alfred.
I can't see a connection between the 2 Shuter families but I can't see it as a case of making up a father's name as he actually existed.
The other scenario is that the William that appears in 1911 is the son of James & Eliza Shuter. James is a carpenter. He may have been known as Alfred.

[Galium]

I think that James and Eliza's son is the William who married Norah Wakelin in 1933 - names his father as James, and one witness is Edith Shuter (Edith Shuter Mmn Rathbone registered 1904 Aston district).

Alfred Shuter married Fanny Cooksey in Aston district in 1880. 
Shuter children registered with Mmn Cooksey:

Bertha 1880 Aston district (died 1881 Solihull)
Alfred Frederick 1882 Solihull district
Thomas 1884 Aston district (died 1884 Aston)
Frank 1885 Aston district (GRO index shows Mmn as Cookley)
Lucy Mabel 1887 Aston district (died 1889 Aston)
Lilian 1891 Aston district
Fanny Davis 1893 Aston district
Elsie Theodora 1896 West Bromwich district
Gascoigne Leopold 1898 West Bromwich district
Arthur Henry 1900 West Bromwich district

In 1901 Fanny, Alfred (junior) and Frank are recorded as boarders in the household of Mary A Thompson (Ancestry have their surname indexed as Shaar ). Fanny says she is married.

I can't see Fanny D, Lilian, Elsie or Gascoigne in 1901, but Elsie Theodora at least must be somewhere because she shows up in 1911.
Arthur Henry Shuter aged under 9m appears in Aston as the adopted child of George Harry and Jessie Davies.

Gascoigne Leopold Shuter appears to exist only as a birth registration.  I wonder whether he, or someone else might have decided that he should have a rather less flamboyant name - William perhaps?

[kitch59]

Thanks guys,
lots to ponder over, it should keep me occupied for a while, lol