Trevethin area BROWN/WATKINS/MILES

[zalib]

I am interested in anything to do with John and Sophia BROWN who moved to Trevethin in the 1840s (found in 1851 census, but not 1861). John was from Frome Somerset.
Daughter Mary Ann married James WATKINS (1864). Their daughter Mary Ann married Thomas MILES (1891). Their son was also Thomas MILES who married Lydia NICHOLAS in the PONTYPOOL district in 1911.
I believe some of the MILES family moved to Hertfordshire.
MY aim is to prove that the John BROWN of Frome is the same as the one in my family tree, born 1819 and baptised in Frome St John. There are no baptism records that I can find online so they may have been non-conformist, which would be fairly typical in Wales. Still trying to find a marriage of JB and Sophia.
Confusion arises with Samuel BROWN of Beckington (near Frome) and wife Sophia, whose children have similar names to John and Sophia, but they are not related in my tree. Their children do however create conflict when trying to match subsequent marriages.
My link is through the BROWN family.

[KGarrad]

MY aim is to prove that the John BROWN of Frome is the same as the one in my family tree, born 1819 and baptised in Frome St John. There are no baptism records that I can find online so they may have been non-conformist, which would be fairly typical in Wales. Still trying to find a marriage of JB and Sophia.

Have a look at:
http://fromeresearch.org.uk/

Frome St John baptisms from 1558 to 1837.

[Kay99]

Was John Brown actually Samuel John Brown??

The children's birth of the GRO Birth Index lists his children's mothers maiden name as Bond and there is a possible marriage in Frome in 1841 with two persons listed as Samuel Brown and Sophia Bond -   https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2D4W-K3C

This couple appear to be on the 1841 census together with Samuel listed as a Plaster and Tiler with ties in with John Brown in 1851

Could this be the family in 1861 in Trevethin??

Samuel J Brown    42 Plasterer b Beckington, Somerset
Sophia Brown 40 b Wincanton, Somerset
Francis Brown 18
James Brown 14
Charles Brown    11
Thomas Brown    8
Elijah Brown    6
Sarah J Brown    3

Sorry - Ignore this as you have already looked into this family  - Have you checked the GRO birth index for the mother's maiden name of the Brown children you have in 1851 for John and Sophia?

[rosie99]

Just posting yours in 1851 
John Brown   32 bn Frome
Sophia Brown   32 bn Frome
Susana Brown   10 bn Frome
Francis Brown   8 bn Frome
Mary Ann Brown 6 bn Frome
James Brown   4 bn Trevethin
Charls Brown   7 Mth bn Trevethin

Mothers maiden surname Bond according to birth registrations
 

[rosie99]

Why did you discount Samuel J Brown 

Possible Marriage Jun 1841 
BOND    Sophia       
BROWN    Samuel       
Frome    10   646

[trish1120]

There is also;
BROWN, FRANCIS, Mothers mn     TURNER****
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in FROME UNION  Volume 10  Page 37

[trish1120]

Are you sure he is not Samuel John Brown?

[trish1120]

Marriage is on FreeREG 10 May 1841 for Samuel Brown and Sophia Bond

Sophias Bapt 10 May 1818 Bratton Seymour, same Fathers name/ocp from 1841 Marriage.

1841 in Frome;
Samuel Brown   20
Sophia Brown   25

[rosie99]

There is also;
BROWN, FRANCIS, Mothers mn     TURNER****
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in FROME UNION  Volume 10  Page 37

I think he is the son of Jesse Brown & Elizabeth (Turner) - They are in Frome in 1851