More uniform / rank / anything identification

[ajbaker]

Hi,

I recently posted this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,75259.0.html about reading the MIC of my great uncle, and had some great replies.

I've dug out two photos of the Thomas William Clayton referred to. The first was taken sometime either just before or during WW1. Is there anything anybody can deduce from the picture (perhaps not, as he isn't wearing a cap, and the picture doesn't show much of the badge or stripes on his arms).

The second photo was taken sometime around the outbreak of WW2. Again, is there anything that anybody can tell about who he was serving with at the time, what rank he was at the time, and even perhaps what awards he has. This one might be easier as he is wearing a cap with an insignia on it.

I don't know much about these things and might be talking rubbish, but I also know what great information people on this forum can come up with.

Regards,
Adam

[dortmund]

Hi Adam,

In the second photo it looks as though he is a Captain (three pips), if you could enlarge the cap badge it might be easier to recognise.

Trevor

[manmack]

trevor,your right about the rank,mack

[manmack]

adam,the 1st pic,hes a signaller,possibly an instructor,mack

[ajbaker]

Thanks Trevor and Mack for your replies.

Right, if he's a captain in these pictures, then it would have been between 1930 and 1940. I have found a reference in the London Gazette in 1930 to him being promoted from a lieutenant to a captain in the Green Howards (terratorial). In late 1939 he was moved as a captain to the Auxiliary Military Pioneer Corps. I also have a reference to him being in the Loyal Regiment sometime in the 1930s.

Can anybody identify him as being in any one of these three regiments?

I have tried to enlarge his cap badge but it is not very clear.

Mack, how on earth did you work out that he was a signaller (possibly an instructor) from that photo? His DCM citation from 1917 mentions him being in the Brigade Signal Section of the Loyal North Lancashire Regiment, and his obit from 1940 also mentions him as 'acting as a signals officer for some time'

Cheers,
Adam

[manmack]

adam,sorry mate,i left out the badge bit,hes in the green howards,mack

[ajbaker]

Mack,

Thanks for that info about the Green Howards.

Can you tell me which bit of Thomas' uniform in the first picture gives away the fact that he is a signaller, and possibly an instructor.

Cheers,
Adam

[liverpool annie]

Adam !

You have to know that Mack has ancient Chinese secrets! surfice to know the man knows his stuff!!

Annie

[manmack]

adam,the crossed flags are for a signaller,hes a full corporal,so its possible he could be a instructor,but dont take that as fact,but hes definately a signaller,mack