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And the very last query for the moment - promise!
« on: Tuesday 25 July 17 16:14 BST (UK) »
Here I can't work out the bit between what seems to say "by the oathes of the said Confederates &" and "for that such your orators witnesses"

Once again, any help will be very gratefully received.

Diana
Hakes - Piddington, Northants; Bucks
Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth - Piddington, Northants
Bonner - Warwickshire & Leicestershire
Caughlin - Clonmore Co. Wicklow/Carlow
Muzzell - Sussex
Jones - Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
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Re: And the very last query for the moment - promise!
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 16:39 BST (UK) »
...Confederates & the rather for that...

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Re: And the very last query for the moment - promise!
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 July 17 20:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Horsleydown86

Once again a very big thank you.   That was all I could think of.   I can't say that the sentence is any clearer as it's another really rambling one but I expect it's legalese.   It's good to have your corroboration.

Diana
Hakes - Piddington, Northants; Bucks
Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth - Piddington, Northants
Bonner - Warwickshire & Leicestershire
Caughlin - Clonmore Co. Wicklow/Carlow
Muzzell - Sussex
Jones - Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood - Devon
Shutt - Devon & Kent
Oliver, Davies & James - Pembrokeshire
Green, Enser, Oldham, Bramman, Billings & Watmough - Nottinghamshire

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Re: And the very last query for the moment - promise!
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 July 17 04:07 BST (UK) »
If you put "and the rather for that" (with the quotes) into a search engine, you'll find that this was a fairly common construction in the C17th and C18th.

It seems to mean something like:

...instead of what has been supposed or alleged, the actuality is...[this other thing]


See this for example:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kg7/


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Re: And the very last query for the moment - promise!
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 July 17 08:36 BST (UK) »
Hi horsleydown86

Wonderful to know!   Thank you so very much indeed.

Diana
Hakes - Piddington, Northants; Bucks
Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth - Piddington, Northants
Bonner - Warwickshire & Leicestershire
Caughlin - Clonmore Co. Wicklow/Carlow
Muzzell - Sussex
Jones - Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood - Devon
Shutt - Devon & Kent
Oliver, Davies & James - Pembrokeshire
Green, Enser, Oldham, Bramman, Billings & Watmough - Nottinghamshire