McMullen Family

[daisynook]

heywood - that last record you sent me showing John Johannis McMullen Jnr do you know if he was born in Ireland?  I had his birth as 07 Dec 1874

[heywood]

John McMullen was born 1877 and died 1879 - St George district, Manchester.

[daisynook]

Thank you heywood - I had been having a dispute with my cousin who had insisted he was born in Ireland!!

[heywood]

IT seems to be Bartholomew who was born in Belfast c 1870.

I think that should be 1873 according to the Baptism - sorry.

[heywood]

Thank you heywood.  I'm sure that's the right family.  I have John Thomas Freel and Mary Ann (who later married JB McMullen) parents with children Albert b.1874, John Thomas b.1884 and Annie B b.1907.

I now see a Blake!!  Mary Blake was married to John Thomas Jnr.  Now I look at it they had children Albert b.1873, Thomas b.1833, Mary Ann Virginia b.1879 (who became a nun) and Mary b.1881 d.1882.  So that clarifies the death of Mary you sent me but I don't know which Thomas died in 1883 sounds like Mary's father.  I have 2 John Thomas Freels b.1826, 1884 and 1833 so not sure which is the one who died in 1883.

Sorry, I only just saw the second part of this post.
Thomas Freel died 1883 aged 34 yrs. he was Mary Ann Blake's husband.

In a later post I wrote that Albert was Albert Hernan. She was married before she married Thomas Freel.
Your dates for the children seem a bit mixed up.
Was Mary Ann Virginia the child Annie?
I do not see a birth for M A V in 1879.

[daisynook]

I have John Bartholomew McM Snr b.1839 at Sea, John Bartholomew Jnr b.1874 or thereabouts in Manchester.  There are so many people with the same names it gets very confusing.

Also I have managed to get a copy of the newspaper article about JB's conviction in Bolton.  Article says at the end he has been committed to Asises so I have no idea where to go from there.

As for the Hernans and Freels, I had assumed that Mary had been married to Hernan previously.  The children I have Mary Ann Virginia (the one who became a nun) b.1879 Mary b. 1881 and Emily Ann b.1892 (she must have been Hernan, Blake and McMullen).

[daisynook]

I have been at this all day today and I've had it for tonight.  Will resume in the morning!!

[heywood]

It looks like there was a previous wife and mother called Blake.  I have a Thomas Freel b.1833 whose mother was Mary Ann Wilson-McMullen.  Maybe John Thomas Freel had another wife before Mary Ann.  He would be grandchild to JB McMullen.

This just gets more complicated by the minute!

It is very complicated 

Just to clarify the above, in 1881 Thomas Freel shows as born Galway 1848.

Children of Mary Ann Blake
See Lancashire BMD site - Oldham shows mother's maiden name

Albert Hernan 1874
Thomas Hernan 1877

Annie Freel 1879
Mary Freel 1881
Thomas Freel 1883

Alice McMullen 1890

Cheshire BMD

Emily Ann McMullen 1892

From these births it looks as though John Bartholomew and Mary Ann Blake got together between 1883-1890

The only child I can see who could be Mary Ann Virginia b 1879 is Annie Freel b 1879.
There is no other child to match. She only appears on 1891 census.

[rosie99]

IT seems to be Bartholomew who was born in Belfast c 1870.

Poss birth reg for son

MCMULLIN, BARTHOLOMEW       mmn MCGUIGGIN     
1870  March Quarter
MANCHESTER reg dist  Volume 08D  Page 261


 MCMULLEN, WILLIAM  JAMES     mmn MCGUIGAN     
1865  Dec Quarter
SALFORD reg dist Volume 08D  Page 9