William R POOLE Marriage 1910

[rosie99]

Thanks GG

So often these middle names appear out of nowhere   

[Girl Guide]

I'm getting quite frustrated with the Poole family.

William Robert Poole baptised February 1867 only appears on three census records - 1871 with his mother and her parents George and Elizabeth Roberts  RG10 Piece 714 Folio 112 Page 17
1891 with his wife Mary (nee Goodman married 1st April 1889) RG 12 Piece 447, Folio 59 Page 21 & 1901 with his mother and children RG13 Piece 483 Folio 99 Page 7

I've found what may be William Robert's death in DQ 1946 Surrey NE 5G 548

So far I have not been able to find William Robert in 1881, 1911 or the 1939 Register.

William Robert's father is even more difficult.  He only appears twice, on his marriage certificate and his son's baptism record.  Thomas Poole was of full age when he married Eliza Elizabeth Rogers in Camberwell in1866, occupation Signalman.  His son's baptism record in 1867 gives his occupation as Railway Porter.

I therefore have no idea when or where Thomas was born.  His wife Eliza remarried on 6th February 1891 to Richard Catt.  The 1871 suggests that Eliza was a married lady thereby implying that Thomas is alive in 1871.  So presumably Thomas dies between 1871 and 1891?

In view of the fact that Thomas appears to have worked on the railway could some kind soul have a look at the UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1956 on Anc* to see if any likely looking Thomas appears on them anywhere?

Many thanks to anyone who can help.

[rosie99]

I've found what may be William Robert's death in DQ 1946 Surrey NE 5G 548

I think that William R Poole may be in Kingston on the 1939 register. 

[Girl Guide]

Thank you Rosie, that certainly looks a good possibility on the 1939. 

I think getting his birth certificate would be a good idea.  It will then give me his actual birth date which hopefully will be the same as the one in the 1939.

If it is then he must have remarried sometime between 1901 and 1939!

I see that the 1939 address is not very far from the Kingston Cemetery and Crematorium.  I wonder if William is in there.  I'll see if there are any burial records online for this cemetery.

Thanks once again Rosie.

Added - I've just looked through the burial records for Kingston and my William is not there.  The two that were listed were the wrong ages for the burial year given.  93 in 1904 and 31 in 1892.

[jonw65]

W R Poole buried at Richmond Cemetery, 24/10/1946
You can search here
http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/lbrburials/(S(h1g4nv34smacrjwz5bmqrvck))/Search.aspx
But no images, unlike Kingston

[Girl Guide]

Thank you Jon for finding that.  I've made a note of the information available.  Now have to decide whether to get the death cert to see what exactly it says.  Decisions, decisions...........

[rosie99]

I think you need the birth certificate first 

I wonder if the death cert would help, he appears to be in a grave with no other relations. The person he was living with died in 1943

[Girl Guide]

Hi Rosie

I have ordered William's birth cert today so that I can have his exact date of birth.  I can then check it against the 1939 entry.

If the person he was living with died in 1943, then in theory a family member could have registered the death.  Depends on how much contact he had with his sons.  William Thomas died in 1975.  Leonard died before 1939 as his wife is a widow in the 1939.  Don't know about Charles Thomas as I am finding it difficult to locate him after the 1911 census.

[Girl Guide]

Well, well, well!! I have been discovering interesting things about William Robert's father Thomas.  It seems that he had been a naughty boy and abandoned his wife Eliza and son William and went off to New Zealand. 

Went off with another woman called Ann and a son called Henry Robert born in 1872.   

I started off by finally finding a Robert Poole occupation Carter with a son Thomas in the 1861 census RG09 Piece no. 1311, Folio 21, Page 7.  I couldn't find a birth record for Thomas but I did find a baptism in Durrington, Wilts in 1844.  Now the interesting thing about the baptism record was a little note at the side which said 'Emigrated to New Zealand'. (Thomas' marriage to Eliza indicated that his father was Robert, occ. carter.)

I couldn't find any marriage for Thomas to Ann (not surprisingly as he was already married!) but I did find the birth record for the son Henry MQ 1872 St. Saviour's.  I then found a baptism record for Henry in 1872 St. Peter's Walworth, Southwark and lo and behold Thomas' occupation is Signalman.  Same occupation that Thomas had when he married Eliza Roberts in 1866.

Further investigation revealed that they emigrated to New Zealand in May 1872 just a few months after Henry was born.  And there they stayed until their deaths in 1922 and 1926.

So Eliza committed bigamy when she married Robert Catt in 1891 although as that was nearly 20 years after Thomas did his bunk, she may well have considered him to be dead.

That was the result of an afternoon and evening of digging and delving and lots of printing of records.  Phew! (Wipes sweat off brow).