John Morgan, died 1941 @ Heidelberg, husband of Frances Wall

[Rodney53]

Many thanks, Jamjar. I have tried and failed to find Rubenia's death and burial. Her name does not appear on the cemetery's records of my Morgan ancestors. She may well be buried with her parents. This also explains her husband's burial with his brother. And his sister Letitia died in the house of his wife in Gardenvale. A second wife now looks likely.
Many many thanks.
P.S. Must check records when home. I seem to recall baptisms for a Rubenia and Rebecca Cleland at St Peter's East Melb., and on the same day.
Rodney53.

[sparrett]

Rodney,
Perhaps I have missed it, but where has the surname of Frances been located-WALL?

Here is a longshot. Maybe you already have this on file.

A man named Charles John MORGAN died July 1988. DOB 14/6/1919
He and his wife are interred Lilydale Cemetery.

A chap named Charles John MORGAN enlisted ww2 with John MORGAN as NOK. DOB 14/6/1919.His further details here-
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=544102



A man of this name and his wife lived in the Lilydale area as shown on Electoral Rolls.

The Victorian Birth index (from private source) shows the birth listed twice.

Birth
DEAN Charles John
Father-
Mother Frances HALL
Melb. W.
1919/13337

HALL, Charles John
Father-
Mother Frances HALL
Melb. W.
1919/13337

Is this at all a likely link?

Sue

[Jamjar]

This is the death of Elizabeth Rose Morgan who is buried with John Lewis and brother William:

1942 8055 MORGAN Elizabeth Rose parents TREGURTHA John William Burgess and Sarah (Abrahams)
Place of birth: Hobart, TAS; Place of death BRIGHTON NORTH; aged 86

She was William's wife:

1892 2162 ELDER Elizth Rose to MORGAN Wm

Her first marriage:

1878 4023 TREGURTHA Bessie to ELDER Douglas

A daughter to William and Elizabeth:

1893 34360 MORGAN Bessie Rose parents William and Elizabe (Tregurtha)

Marriage of daughter:

1919 5394 MORGAN Bessie Rose to BROWN Walt Wesley

Death:

1988 4981 BROWN Bessie Rose parents MORGAN William and Elizabeth Rose (Tregurtha)
Place of birth: Port Melbourne; Place of death: Warracknabeal; aged 94

1969 26956 BROWN Walter Wesley parents BROWN William Stanley and Fanny (Phelps) Place of birth: Kadeena South Australia; Place of death: Brighton East; aged 80

Jamjar

 

[Jamjar]

Following on from Sue's last post and her mention of military record for Ronald Moore Morgan.

There is an Obit in the Herald Sun, part of which is:

MORGAN. - Ronald Moore, passed away peacefully at home on Thursday Sept. 14, 2000, aged 79 years. Beloved husband of Ivy for 56 years, brother to Charlie (dec. ), Vern (dec. ).

MORGAN Ronald (Ron) Death notice 14-9-2000 Death 79 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 16-9-2000   


There are notices for a possible brother Vernon:

MORGAN Vernon (Vern) Death notice 23-12-1987 Publication The Age (Melbourne) 23-12-1987   
   
MORGAN Vernon Dudley Funeral notice 23-12-1987 Funeral The Age (Melbourne) 22-12-1987   

MORGAN Vernon Dudley Probate notice 29-4-1988 Publication late of Chadstone The Age (Melbourne) 29-4-1988

Springvale Botanical Cemetery Morgan Vernon Dudley Cremated 23-12-1987
The cremated remains have been scattered

Jamjar

[Rodney53]

Hi Sue. The surname WALL for Frances comes from a scribble in some handwritten notes from a distant family member. No records to confirm it yet. So the name is still to be confirmed. No other wife for Eustace found. John and Frances on electoral suggest given name is correct.
The two birth records you found raise interesting questions. Many thanks. The death notices are very helpful as well. Thanks.
Rodney53.

[Rodney53]

Thanks once again Jamjar.
When I rang the cemetery about the two brothers, no mention of the wife being buried in the same grave. So these findings of Bessie Morgan are very new to me and very welcome.
Rodney53

[Jamjar]

Marriage write up for Bessie Rose Morgan to Walt Wesley Brown: 3rd column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article146471887

The brother mentioned in the marriage notice?

1881 13343 ELDER Douglas Tregurtha parents Douglas and Elizabeth Rose (Tregurtha)

1949 4493 ELDER Douglas Tregurtha parents ELDER Douglas and Elizabeth Rose (Tegurtha)

Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22728938

ELDER Douglas T Fawkner Memorial Park Cremation 16-5-1949

Obit: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article70706768

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

Following on from Sue's post#37.

Is this the mother of Charles?

1912 3891 HALL Francis to DEAN Jas

Births:

1912 34435 DEAN Eunice Doreen Anna - death 1912 aged 3 months

1914 16705 DEAN Wm Jas - death 1914 aged 3 months

1915 879 DEAN Kath

[Rodney53]

To be candid, I don't know. It certainly looks that way and that Charles is not born a Morgan. There is not yet a record with Frances Wall attached to fhe Morgan name.
Thanks jamjar and for the Bessie Morgan notices too.
Rodney53