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Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« Reply #126 on: Friday 22 September 17 21:14 BST (UK) »
There is a possibility that there are living relatives from the sister and half sister in America if only we could find them.
  Thanks to you all I have found the son of one of the sister's in USA and she knows nothing of my lady which I suspected but same dad she knew of him as her bio but never classed him as dad never returned to Scotland to find him, Carl Colson was her dad as far as she was concerned, I am hoping to find relatives of Allan Neill's 2nd marriage 1949 he married Jane Ann Rodger Bruce father James Bruce gamekeeper retired. mother Elizabeth something Bruce nee Walker deceased marriage district Lasswade Midlothian big help needed
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Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« Reply #127 on: Friday 22 September 17 21:19 BST (UK) »
That's good news that you've made contact in the USA - presumably that is with the family of the older sister? Is she still alive and does she want any contact with her sister? If I'm correct they are full sisters aren't they?
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Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« Reply #128 on: Friday 22 September 17 21:55 BST (UK) »
That's good news that you've made contact in the USA - presumably that is with the family of the older sister? Is she still alive and does she want any contact with her sister? If I'm correct they are full sisters aren't they?
Yes they are I have exchanged birth certs but son is reluctant to tell her she has never mentioned a lost sister so he says? but knows who her bio dad is Allan Neill never went back to Scotland to find him only classes Carl Colson as her dad, but I doubt he is going to mention it to her as I can not get to speak to her where do I go from here? I am treading on egg shells at the moment My lady as had a lifetime of not knowing and now knows she has family out there but I have not told her yet I have found her sibling I want a happy ending so if you can help find the Neill's I have sent for 2 Births I think would be Allan's kids after he married in 1949 going to try there
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Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« Reply #129 on: Friday 22 September 17 22:17 BST (UK) »
That is a real shame, but perhaps he has reasons for not telling her. She would be late 70s wouldn't she if I am remembering correctly, but we don't know the state of her health. I suppose it might come as a shock to know that she has a full blood younger sister, who for some reason was "given" away. It does make you wonder if Carl Colson knew doesn't it, as it was kept such a secret? The elder sister was obviously old enough to remember Carl coming into their lives, hence knowing he wasn't her biological father, but wasn't old enough to remember when her sister was born.

I do seriously wonder whether Allan Neill was actually your lady's father. Could her mother have had an affair while Allan was in the army? She could easily have put his name on the certificate and that would have been accepted as she was married to him at the time. That would explain why she gave the baby up and didn't try and claim her back, or mention her when she went to America.It does seem very strange to me that if she was just given up because she couldn't cope, that she was never mentioned. The only way to find out for sure would be for both parties to take a DNA test, and I can't see that happening.

I'm afraid there isn't a lot you can do though if the son isn't willing to tell his mother.

It might be a good idea to post your last request re finding Allan Neill's new family on the Scottish board, but with a link back to this thread so people don't waste time going over old ground.  The only thing to keep in mind though, is that if my suspicion's about your lady's birth father are right, any children of Allan for that marriage won't be connected to her.
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Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« Reply #130 on: Saturday 23 September 17 15:28 BST (UK) »
That is a real shame, but perhaps he has reasons for not telling her. She would be late 70s wouldn't she if I am remembering correctly, but we don't know the state of her health. I suppose it might come as a shock to know that she has a full blood younger sister, who for some reason was "given" away. It does make you wonder if Carl Colson knew doesn't it, as it was kept such a secret? The elder sister was obviously old enough to remember Carl coming into their lives, hence knowing he wasn't her biological father, but wasn't old enough to remember when her sister was born.

I do seriously wonder whether Allan Neill was actually your lady's father. Could her mother have had an affair while Allan was in the army? She could easily have put his name on the certificate and that would have been accepted as she was married to him at the time. That would explain why she gave the baby up and didn't try and claim her back, or mention her when she went to America.It does seem very strange to me that if she was just given up because she couldn't cope, that she was never mentioned. The only way to find out for sure would be for both parties to take a DNA test, and I can't see that happening.

I'm afraid there isn't a lot you can do though if the son isn't willing to tell his mother.

It might be a good idea to post your last request re finding Allan Neill's new family on the Scottish board, but with a link back to this thread so people don't waste time going over old ground.  The only thing to keep in mind though, is that if my suspicion's about your lady's birth father are right, any children of Allan for that marriage won't be connected to her.
I have sent attachments via emails to both of you of the 2nd marriage cert I need it transcribed not sure about the Bruce could be Brice also can not quite make out her mothers and father  name or Allans I tride to upload snippets on here but it woulnt let me TIA
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Re: Alan Neill...Help
« Reply #131 on: Saturday 23 September 17 19:53 BST (UK) »
So, did Allan Neill and Margaret divorce?

Annette

Yes!!...

CS258/22344 Margaret H Milroy or Neill v Allan Neill Divorce 1949

http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/search.aspx

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"The item or collection is not accessible to the public.
This might be because the item is undergoing conservation It might be closed for a number of years, under Data Protection legislation, or by a private owner of the records."


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Add...Brilliant work ladies & fascinating, just finished reading it all  ;D
Hi I missed this post just going over some posts I can not access this it wont let me can you tell me how too and what I need to put in to get the info you did?and does it state children? Its important now I have contact with a living relative ...TIA
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Re: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110
« Reply #132 on: Saturday 23 September 17 23:23 BST (UK) »
The link works in taking me to the site - I just entered 'Allan Neill' in a search which brought up 28 entries and the divorce in 1949 is on the 2nd page of entries and as Annie previously stated just states 'Margaret H. Milroy or Neill v. Allan Neill: Divorce (i.e. she was divorcing him).   

As Annie stated it is shown as a Closed Record and not accessible to the public so you won't be able to find out the details I'm afraid.

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