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Re: Philp Bullock Death
« Reply #45 on: Friday 22 September 17 13:38 BST (UK) »
So you are saying Edith married the FATHER of Walter born in 1912.

Well I will know when I get the certificate.

Its such a small world a few years ago I painted 73, Wathen Road for Walter and Laura's youngest Son Stanley born 1920. I lived with their daughter for a couple of years (she died 3 years ago).

Alan
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Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
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Re: Philp Bullock Death
« Reply #46 on: Friday 22 September 17 14:44 BST (UK) »
 :) :) :)

Hi Lady, I have now solved it. I went and looked for the marriage of Edith and Walter at St Paul's but not there so I presume it was the registery office.

Edith remarried in 1955 Frederick E Price. She died in 1962. Probate  with same address also mentions her sister married to Tom Bean, So her father was Arthur.

I think that  Edith Monsell in 1939 is her but don't have a DOB anywhere else.

Alan
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Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth

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Re: Philp Bullock Death
« Reply #47 on: Friday 22 September 17 17:50 BST (UK) »
So you are saying Edith married the FATHER of Walter born in 1912.

Well I will know when I get the certificate.


You certainly will


Edith remarried in 1955 Frederick E Price.
She died in 1962. Probate  with same address also mentions her sister married to Tom Bean,
So her father was Arthur.


Another piece of the jigsaw added to your puzzle


I think that  Edith Monsell in 1939 is her but don't have a DOB anywhere else.


Worked out Edith Monsell's dob by process of elimination

10 07 1891

I'm assuming this is the correct birth entry for Edith  dau of Arthur & Fanny (FreeBMD)

Jul/Aug/Sep 1891 Solihull   6d   573
Edith Mansell      

and the marriage entry for her parents

Jun 1887
Arthur MANSELL
Female name on same page
Fanny POSTANS

and confirming the FreeBMD birth entry on GRO indexes

Edith MANSELL mmn POSTANS
1891  Sep Quarter in SOLIHULL  Volume 06D Page 573   



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Re: Philp Bullock Death
« Reply #48 on: Friday 22 September 17 18:00 BST (UK) »
Yes I do believe You have finally solved it and I am very grateful to you. I would like that picture of Walter you say is on Ancestry so I might try and get that I can then put it in the book I am writing.

Its a shame Jean Goode had died because I'm sure she would have known her step grandmother. I may try and contact her sister Brenda up north somewhere. Her brother Keith as moved abroad somewhere.

Thank You So Much for your help.

Alan
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Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth


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« Reply #49 on: Friday 22 September 17 18:12 BST (UK) »
It looks as if that is the correct entry for Edith surname MONSELLon 1939 register

Only just noticed that her sister Matilda Mansell was registered with same year and page number

Twins?

MANSELL, MATILDA    mmn   POSTANS     
1891  S Quarter in SOLIHULL  Volume 06D  Page 573   

using the same dob 10 7 1891 on 1939 Register

Warwick R.D., Warwickshire
Matilda Woodward 1891
Possible death Warwickshire 1966 age 74

Matilda married in 1926

Matilda Woodward age 74
Parish:   Hatton
Death Date:   6 Feb 1966 Burial Date:   11 Feb 1966

Matilda Woodward Probate Date:   7 Apr 1966 to M Bean (her sister)



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Re: Philp Bullock Death
« Reply #50 on: Friday 22 September 17 19:13 BST (UK) »
I hadn't noticed Matilda recently because I had only got Edith's window open but when I have the parents window open I can see all the children and their births. in fact I had Matilda as 11/7/1891 for some reason, I usually put by the DOB in brackets at the end of the 1939 info.

I have never been able to find anything on Tom Bean only the marriage in 1938 I have searched his name before no birth, census, 1939 death or parents I do have Mabel's DOB 16/4/1899 which I must have got from her death.

I will check the Burial out tomorrow and the Probate at the records office.

Good work every little helps.

Alan
Warwickshire-      Green, Mansell
Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth

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Re: Philp Bullock Death
« Reply #51 on: Friday 22 September 17 19:54 BST (UK) »

I have never been able to find anything on Tom Bean only the marriage in 1938 I have searched his name before no birth, census, 1939 death or parents I do have Mabel's DOB 16/4/1899 which I must have got from her death.


I can't place either on 1939 register even using dob for Mabel  ???
 the only one I came up with   ???

Mabel Bean 1899
Christopher G Bean 1897
East Retford Nottingham

but you did get her dob from death record

Mabel Bean  Age:   87
Birth Date:   16 Apr 1899
Registration Date:Jan 1987 Birmingham Volume:   32 Page:   1696
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« Reply #52 on: Saturday 23 September 17 19:50 BST (UK) »
I wonder if I dare mention another one of their sisters Annie born 1889 says Yardley birth reg. Sept qtr 1889 Solihull 6d 547.

I have her at home with her parents in 1891 and 1901. Then the last time I see her in Edgbaston with the Wood family.

I did see a Marriage Henry Hutchison Dec qtr 1919 Birmingham 6d 496.
There is a child John M Hutchison born Sept qtr 1921 West Brom. 6d 1500 mmn Mansell

I suppose I need to check 1939.

Alan
Warwickshire-      Green, Mansell
Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth

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Re: Philp Bullock Death
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 24 September 17 16:07 BST (UK) »
I wonder if I dare mention another one of their sisters Annie born 1889 says Yardley
birth reg. Sept qtr 1889 Solihull 6d 547.


Annie Mansell Baptism 11 Aug 1889 Yardley, St Edburgha, Worcestershire

Just in case needed baptism of her other two sisters

Minnie Mansell Baptism 26 Feb 1888 Yardley, St Edburgha, Worcestershire
   
Adelaide May Mansell bp date 1 Jul 1894 Yardley, Worcester
she married Mar 1921 Birmingham A E Jones, and died Jun 1931 age 37

I did see a Marriage Henry Hutchison Dec qtr 1919 Birmingham 6d 496.

I suppose I need to check 1939.

You could try searching the 1939 register for Annie using month 08 and year 1889,
it would appear the Annie Mansell who married Henry Hutchinson born c1882

Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
Henry Hutchinson   b1872
Annie Hutchinson       b1882
and 1 more person are on this record

Is it possible she didn't marry - there's this death but can't say if she was single or married

Sep 1956 Birmingham 9c 159 Annie Mansell age 68 (born c1888)

and this one

Jun 1977 Basford   
Annie MANSELL   born 6 AU 1889
on further investigation looks as if she's nee Beesley married 1916 Willliam Mansell





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