Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim

[minniehaha]

Hello Cr,

Part quote from your reply #33........

"This also seems odd to me as I understood that Edward Moss was born in 1853 at  Sacramento, California",

This mystery could possibly be solved by obtaining a marriage printout* (See below for data collected at registration). This should provide more accurate information about Edward than a death registration printout, the marriage details having been supplied by the bride & groom.

1880/2551   Helen   Honnor   Edward   Moss

The actual date of marriage was 2.9.1880.

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/marriage

[*May contain more information, cheaper than a certificate and can be e-mailed.]

Minniehaha.

[Lucy2]

CR ... I think others looked earlier and so did I, for a Henry Thomas MOSS or MASON death c. 1918.

NZ BDM (online) has this  >   ... although the age is a long way out for H.T. son  of Helen and Edward who was registered in 1885

NZ Death

1918 / 7584 -  MASON - Henry Thomson* -  25 years [bc 1893 ]

*   Wasn't THOMSON or THOMPSON the maiden surname given for the possible mother of Edward MOSS / MASON    [Christian / Christiana / Christina  ThOMSON / THOMPSON  ]  ??

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

.... This mystery could possibly be solved by obtaining a marriage printout* (See below for data collected at registration). This should provide more accurate information about Edward than a death registration printout, the marriage details having been supplied by the bride & groom.

1880/2551   Helen   Honnor   Edward   Moss

The actual date of marriage was 2.9.1880.

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/marriage
 ....
Minniehaha.

    BUYER  BEWARE   

Before rushing off to purchase this marriage printout, it would be a jolly good idea to check with NZ BDM as to whether the marriage record for HONNOR - MOSS, of 2.9.1880, actually contains the parental information.

NZ BDM have conflicting (and perhaps, misleading) information on their website.

Whilst their "Collected data for marriages" shows >
"FROM 1880 - MARRIAGE ACT 1880 (dated 17 January 1880)

their published "Timeline" shows  >
OCT  1880 (as in October 1880) - marriage registrations include parental details and the residence of each party to the marriage.

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/timeline

As far as I am aware, (and I know from personal experience in having purchased a mid-year 1880 marriage record), only (NZ) marriages from the 4th quarter, that is, OCT-DEC of the year 1880, contain the additional details (parental, residential, etc.)   
The HONNOR - MOSS marriage took place in early September, according to above post.

  ~  Lu


   

[Lucy2]

CR ... I think others looked earlier and so did I, for a Henry Thomas MOSS or MASON death c. 1918.

NZ Death

1918 / 7584 -  MASON - Henry Thomson* -  25 years [bc 1893 ]

  ~  Lu

Further to my earlier post, the above > MASON - Henry Thomson - d. 1918 > is buried at Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland

There is a burial record which firstly gives his name as > Henry Thomas MASON ... and notes his age as 45 years (20 years older than the NZ BDM listing.)
Address :  85 Hepburn Street -  occupation - labourer :
A note says " Plot amended to F 11a 34.    (BDM)  Henry Thomson MASON  (1918).  Plot 101"  :

Another record shows  >   
BULLEN - Samuel  - 8.11.1918  - Plot 34  ANG
HIRA - Wharekerekere - 23 years - Plot 34
MASON - Henry Thomas - 45 years - 10.11.1918 - Plot 34

So this man is buried with two others.   Wonder if the earlier reference to "Plot amended to F 11a 34" refers to "a free plot" 

Couldn't see a death notice for the MASON man.

     ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

NZ Army - WW1 Nominal Rolls -- 1916-1917 :

MASON - Ronald Moss - Burner Inspector - c/- J. McDONALD, Mountain Road, Mt. Albert*.

[*  Mt. Albert is a suburb of Auckland. ]

    ~  Lu

[Cockneyrebel]

According to the  1880-1881 rolls Edward was in Winchester and a labourer, had quarter acre and a cottage, no mention of Helen but presumably women weren't mentioned in that era? However there is another or the same Edward in 1900 at Hawkes Bay a labourer but no Helen and appears to be different family.
Attached, hopefully the death notices for the 2 brothers in 1918.
I'm inclined to order the marriage cert or copy even though it's more expensive than in the UK but perhaps my other contact may have it already.
This is becoming a very long saga!
Cr

[Cockneyrebel]

According to the tree owner the brothers had pneumonia-influenza, I wonder if this was the Spanish flue and strange that they passed away on the same day?
Cr

[johnbarr]

According to the tree owner the brothers had pneumonia-influenza, I wonder if this was the Spanish flue and strange that they passed away on the same day?
Cr

Actually, the death of Henry Thomas [sic Thomson] MASON (already listed by Lu) was registered on 10 Nov 1918 and that of George Edward MASON was on 14 Nov 1918.

The Death Notice shown by CR was probably taken from 'In Memoriam' Auckland Star, 14 Nov 1919 and shows three entries including one from sister and brother Edith and Joseph Noonan      

[johnbarr]

TwiggyTree listed this birth in Reply#3 1891/14540   Moss   Edith   child of Edward and Helen.

BDM show this marriage 1916/826 Edith Moss  Joseph England    Noonan

So I think we can now say for certain there is a connection between Moss and Mason listings