Location of Torcoon, Canonbie

[Jeffrey]

My Gt Grandmother  Agnes jackson was born 5 Feb 1855 at Torcoon. Canonbie I can find no reference to this on a modern map.
Does any one know where it was and what it was. I have an idea it may be a farm.

Any info would be good.

Judy

[Boongie Pam]

Hiya Judy,

A warm welcome to you.

There is a Tarcoon on Multimap.

Not sure if this terrible link is going to work!

Multimap

It appears to be a farm.

Do you have a road atlas of the UK?

It is off the B720 about 1.3m west of Hollows as the crow flies.

Hope this helps,
Pam

Woohoo it worked!

[Jeffrey]

Hi Pam,
Thanks for the information and the mapblast did work. It is the best lead  I have had yet on this and I know that the spelling of names are corrupted over the years. Even the Dumfiesshire Records Office could not tell me about it. I know that there was a big family of Armstrongs lived here in the 1841 Census when again it was spelled as Torcoon.

My Gt Grandmother Agnes Jackson was illegitimate and born in 1855, she had a sister Margaret born in 1858. No record of her father is on her birth certificate. Did the church, I presume in Canonbie, also keep records of Baptisms for those years do you know or did they stop when the records began.

If any one else knows anything about it I would be very pleased to hear.

Judy

[bro_mo33]

I don't know if this is any help, its the 1841 census entry for Torcoon:

Armstrong   Robert            m   55      Farmer         DFS
Armstrong   Agness            f   35               DFS
Armstrong   William            m   12               DFS
Armstrong   John            m   10               DFS
Armstrong   Simeon            m   9               DFS
Armstrong   Robert            m   7               DFS
Armstrong   David            m   5               DFS
Armstrong   Andrew            m   3               DFS
Armstrong   Margaret         f   4m               DFS
Beattie              Sibella            f     15      Agricultural Labourer   DFS
Beattie              Agness           f    10      Female Servant      DFS

[MonicaL]

If this Armstrong family is relevant, they were still all living there in 1851. Have a look at http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx

This Armstrong family have an address ref of Turcoon(814) , household no. 13/14.

Regards.
Monica

[Jeffrey]

Hi Monica
Thanks for the information. No sign of Agnes Jackson's mother there at all in 1851. Her mother was Charters Jackson born 1833 at Crosdykes. Hutton & Corrie. She gave birth to Agnes in 1855 and Margaret in 1858 at Torcoon/Tarcoon/Turcoon.

I can not find Charters on the 1851 Census at all. By the 1861 Census she was in Cumberland as a farm servant. But I can not find her daughters on the 1861 Census in either England or Scotland. Agnes must have been 6years & Margaret 3 years old.

They seem to be very elusive. Did they just evade being on the Census or what. Any ideas.

Judy

[MonicaL]

Hi Judy

Can't see Charters/Charteris at all on the 1851 census. Getting zero results also on SP even with the use of wildcards. Unusual name, normally used as a surname (French origin I think?). But you have her in the 1861 census in England so she must have gone by that name and also registered her daughters' births with that name. 

I can see a couple of Jackson families on the 1851 census in Hutton area which is what's given as her birth place on IGI, although the 3 entries are all submitted records rather than actual extracts from the OPRs. Not sure about her father being James, possibility it was John (?).  There are a numerous sumitted entries for births with mother Agnes Bell (as that showing for Charters) but married to a John Jackson, children showing as born in Langholm.

If Charters was working in England in 1861, maybe family were taking care of her daughters in Dumfries. There is one entry each for an Agnes J, age 6 and a Margaret J, age 3 showing in Dumfries on SP. Have you looked at these?

Monica

[Jeffrey]

Hi Monica,
Thanks for the reply.
The Charters Christian name has been passed down with different spellings - I am a Judith Charteris. and with researching the family have found other ancestors called Charters in the late 1800's and early 1900's that I did not know about. I have noticed where Charters was born at Crossdykes Hutton there was a lady called Charters Common and think it must have come from there.

I have looked up the children on SP and neither of them are the ones so I do not know where they got to.

Charters Jackson's father was definitely James Jackson as I ordered the Parish records on SP. However although her mother was Agnes Bell from Crossdykes her father was James Jackson from Castleton. They were unmarried. I have also looked for all of them in Roxburgh (Is that how you spell it) with no luck!

Any other ideas gratefully received.

Judy

[MonicaL]

Judy

Cannot see where Charters is at all in 1851. Had another go and nothing. Have you searched for her in England for this census?

My other thought in respect of daughters Agnes and Margaret - maybe they were listed under another surname in 1861. Charters's mother Agnes Bell, who I understand didn't marry James Jackson (?),  may have married and the children could have been with their grandmother under another surname?

Regards.

Monica