John Henry Emmerson transported to NSW on the Shipley in 1821.

[Rob69]

I have just discovered that he is my ggg grandfather and i am trying to find out more about him and his first wife, Margaret. I believe they were married in England. Is anyone connected with him?
Thank you.

[Jamjar]

I have just discovered that he is my ggg grandfather and i am trying to find out more about him and his first wife, Margaret. I believe they were married in England. Is anyone connected with him?
Thank you.

Welcome to Rootschat

Is this his marriage in NSW:

4344/1848 V18484344 74B EMERSON John H ELDRIDGE Elizabeth M A JB

Why do you think he had a wife Margaret?

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

If it is the correct marriage then John was from Dublin. Is this correct?

Death notice of daughter stating Dublin, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13334169

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[Jamjar]

Births:

2426/1843 V18432426 27A EMMERSON WILLIAM J parents JOHN H and ELIZABETH M

53/1849 V184953 34A EMERSON LOUISA A parents JOHN H and ELIZABETH

44/1851 V185144 37A EMERSON SARAH M parents JOHN H and ELIZABETH

Jamjar

Added:

His death and death notice, 1st column:

57/1852 V185257 38B EMMERSON John  K (sic) AGE 60

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12933586

[Jamjar]

The death notice says he left four children, I can only find 3:

Deaths:

444/1874 EMMERSON Sarah AGE 22 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY

5831/1891 EMERSON William J parents JOHN H and ELIZABETH M EMMAVILLE

Death notice for William John, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article111996107

Marriage:

3556/1868 ELDERTON Charles Miles to EMERSON Louisa Ann WARIALDA

Died in child birth?

310/1874 V1874310 152 ELDERTON Louisa A

8267/1874 ELDERTON Isabella F parents CHARLES M and LOUISA A WELLINGROVE

[sallyyorks]

Is this the same man (note 'court martial')

According to this topic, he had no children with his first wife Margaret, but had children with his second wife Elizabeth, nee Eldridge
RootsChat topic ... Birth & Parentage John Henry Emerson
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=462909.0

convictrecords.com.au
https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/emerson/john/77369
Name:   John Emerson
Aliases:   none
Convicted at:   Woolwich Court Martial
Sentence term:   14 years
Ship:   Shipley
Departure date:   November, 1821
Arrival date:   11th March, 1822
Place of arrival   New South Wales

[Jamjar]

Looks like the same man, Sally.

Jamjar

[sallyyorks]

Looks like the same man, Sally.

Jamjar

Yes, but unfortunately the other rootschat topic (linked) doesn't give any sources for the information posted, even when another poster asks for it.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=462909.0
I couldn't find the '1818' marriage to 'Margaret' in 'Liverpool' mentioned
The closest I could find for a Margaret was this record
(from the familysearch site)
John Henry Emerson
Spouse's Name   Margaret Gibson
Event Date   14 May 1816
Event Place   Lee, Kent, England

Interestingly there does seem to be a connection between the military and 'Lee, Kent' in 1815 (Lee was within the London Boroughs of Lewisham and Greenwich)
'In 1815 cavalry and foot regiments passed through Lee Green on their way to the Battle of Waterloo:..'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee,_London


He was 'court-martialed', so in the armed forces at some point. He might have been stationed in 'Dublin' and then brought to 'Woolwich' for trial?

[Rob69]

To Jamjar and Sally , this is my first ever post and reply, so Please bear with me. Yes to everything you have found. John was in the army, court-martialled at Woolwich, transported to NSW for 14 years. Somehow his wife Margaret ended up here and at one stage he seems to have been assigned to her. Then, once Free or on ticket of leave he committed another massive fraud (first fraud was part of why he was court martialled) was tried, sentenced to death but that was commuted to life on Norfolk Island. He returned from Norfolk. Margaret died in 1840. He and Elizabeth had four children and married in 1848. I'm descended from one of those four, William. I am trying to fill in the England blanks. Thanks for all your help especially the Trove pieces. I did not have them at all.