Can’t find these people on census. Help please.

[Milliepede]

Could be that father John was a name she made up.  Really need the marriage for more information to go on.

If Ellen can't be found with a father John are there any Ellen Kilshaw's with a Kilshaw mother in 1861/1871 in case her mother was unmarried 

[avm228]

This covers the reg district

KERSHAW, ELLEN        JONES      
GRO Reference: 1853  S Quarter in WARRINGTON  Volume 08C  Page 126

This one may have been a daughter (born in Glazebrook) of Peter Kershaw and Jane Jones, who married in Warrington district Dec qtr 1852.  She was with her Jones grandparents in 1861.

Possible death as Ellen Kershaw aged 16, Mar qtr 1870 Warrington.

[bevj]

Have you thought that since she was older than her husband she might have knocked a year or two off her age?
There is an Ellen aged 4 with parents John and Ann on the 1851 census, although it's true that they are in Chorley lodging with Ann's parents, the Blacklidges.
Still there in 1861 though John Kilshaw has died.

Page Number    14
Registration Number    HO107
Piece/Folio    2263 / 247
    

[avm228]

The 1878 marriage of Ellen Kilshaw and Stanley Chandler took place at St Elphin, Warrington (per CheshireBMD).

[Milliepede]

Have we ruled this one out

baptism 27 Apr 1851
Princes Park St Paul Lancashire

Mary Ellen Kelshaw

father John
mother Elizabeth

[avm228]

Have we ruled this one out

baptism 27 Apr 1851
Princes Park St Paul Lancashire

Mary Ellen Kelshaw

father John
mother Elizabeth

The Simcock Street address on this baptism (and occupation of father John as a smith) ties her to the "Mary" Kelshaw who is aged 3 in Simcock St, Toxteth Park (West Derby RD) in the 1851 census, daughter of John (a smith) and Elizabeth: HO107/2188/379/11.

She's traceable in the family in Liverpool up to 1871.  Probable birth reg is as Mary Ellen Kelshaw (mmn Williams), Sep qtr 1847 West Derby.

[bevo]

The 1861 census has an Ellen KELSELL, age 13, born Burtonwood living in Newton In Makerfield
with a married brother Richard and his family and a brother Thomas age 19 .....