Careys of Rathkeale 1880s

[Sinann]

I've been trying to see if Kate remarried but I'm not having any luck.

The Army Officer has been bugging me as well, it gives the impression of a career solider, granted father's occupation is often 'improved' on marriage records, it also doesn't say alive or deceased, which again is very handy but often missing.
Men usually don't marry until after the army unless they are long service and than they have to get permission so if he was in the army you would expect it would be before he married if he was later a publican.
I don't think we are going to solve the McGuinness' without their marriage cert.
You can only get so far with the free records.

[Sinann]

Back to the Carey's again
Griffith's Valuation I can't post a link, you have to search for it yourself here http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
James Carey print date 1852 on the Main St of Rathkeale, gives his landlord and the valuation of the property he rented. The map doesn't quite match the record the houses aren't numbered on the map, they don't have the rights to the correct map so use one from a different period.
You need to look for Carey James, Limerick, Barony Connello Lower, Union Rathkeale

[T4Tim]

The Army Officer has been bugging me as well, it gives the impression of a career solider...

My thoughts exactly. How could he be a Publican in 1877 and an Officer in 1905 without being long term military.

That is also why I was interested in Roberts reported death which would have made him abscent at the wedding and Kate standing in. No?

I'm still trying to understand the mechanics of the "Griffiths" suggestion.
Why can't you get access and I can?

Bottom line in all this is I really only want to visit where Richard and Eileen lived at birth and an idea of their lives. All the infant deaths in Eileens family is tragic. 5 out of 11 made it.

[Sinann]

I can access it, just can't post a direct link to the record in question.
I was thinking did James buy the shop at a later date, he left quite a bit when he died, something else to think about.

[T4Tim]

I was thinking did James buy the shop at a later date, he left quite a bit when he died, something else to think about.

1000 pounds was a handsome sum for sure back then. Perhaps there was old money in the family? Sold the farm? Won the Irish? I did that in about 1962. They were illegal here and you had to know someone with family in Ireland. took a long time to get the tickets and also to collect. I think I won something like 100 pounds. Maybe less.

Anyway the money James had would have been a great "off to Canada we go" gift.
On the other hand it may not have been liquid either.

[T4Tim]

I’m wondering if we were overthinking the John marriage because of a little chicanery.

I think;
-Bernard was a respected clergy at Rockwell
-Eileen was not a Lady.
-John not a Gentleman nor James an Officer
-Normal status would not permit them to marry at Rockwell.
So they raise the status and Bernard arranges a pro bono marriage.

Robert was deceased.

[T4Tim]

From Find My Past free military days;

First name(s)   Richard
Last name   McGuinness
Birth year   1877
Birth parish Cork
Birth town   Cork
Birth county Cork
Birth country IRELAND
Service number   -
Regiment   Imperial Yeomanry

Cross references with other;
First name(s) Richard J A
Last name   McGuinness

No Robert McGuinness pre WWI.
No John of significance.

[T4Tim]

Death of William Carey 1958, Rathkeale, single.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1958/04371/4134521.pdf

[Sinann]

From Find My Past free military days;

First name(s)   Richard
Last name   McGuinness
Birth year   1877
Birth parish Cork
Birth town   Cork
Birth county Cork
Birth country IRELAND
Service number   -
Regiment   Imperial Yeomanry

Cross references with other;
First name(s) Richard J A
Last name   McGuinness

No Robert McGuinness pre WWI.
No John of significance.

Is there images to go with that or any other family names?