Ernest Newman living in Middlesbrough in 1901, where did he come from?

[Malivrag]

Thank you all for your good help.

I found Ernest Newman with his wife Eunice and children in the 1901 census in Middlesbrough. His birthplace is given as Aldershot but I can't find a birth record for him. It's not such a big place so I can't fathom why... I did find an Ernest Newman of the right age living with his grandmother in All Saints, Huntingdonshire in the 1871 census, and there his birthplace is given as Basingstoke. This must be the Ernest Newman who went to Middlesbrough, yes?

(Forgive me for any mistakes, I have poor eyesight)

[jomcd967]

Hi Malivrag,

1881 23 Benjamin Street Linthorpe
Elizabeth Newman, 37, widow, b. Greece
William J Newman, 17, son, Labourer Shipyard, b. Chatham Kent
Alfred E Newman, 13, scholar, b. Aldershot Hampshire
Henry Newman, 6, scholar, b. Masbrough Yorks.

1891 - High Ducombe Linthorpe
Alfred E Newman, boarder, single, 22, Iron Works labourer, b. Aldershot Kent

Marriage 1891 Hunslet Yorkshire - Alfred Ernest Newman and Eunice Jane Shepherd.

Jo 

[Malivrag]

Thank you Jo! Oh sneaky fellow he was, going by his middle name so I can't find him... and his mother was Greek? Well, well!

[Malivrag]

This must be his family in the 1871 census... did the sisters die young? 

Benjamin T.V. Newman, 31, wine merchant's clerk
Elizabeth, 26, born Greece
William S., 7, Chatham
Emma, 4, Winchester, Hampshire
Alfred E., 2, Aldershot
Eliza A., infant, Chelsea

[jomcd967]

1881 - 50 Cannon Street Middlesborough
Emma Newman, 14, single, domestic servant, b. Winchester Hampshire in the household of Charles Squire.

1891 - High Nelson Street Middlesborough
Isaac Hammond, 32, steelworker, b. Norfolk
Emily Hammond, 25, wife, b. Chatham Kent
Joseph Lynas, 26, lodger, b. Yorks

1901 - 34 Bolckow Street Middlesborough
Isaac Hammond, 42, ironworks labourer, b. Walpole Norfolk
Emily Hammond, 36, wife, b. Winchester Hampshire
Minnie Newman, 10, niece, b. Manchester Lancashire
Elizabeth Cuthbert, visitor,m52, widow

Isaac Hammond married Emily Newman 1882 Middlesborough (she would only have been about 16!)

Jo 

[Malivrag]

Again, thank you, Jo. It's good to know at least one of the girls was alive and well.

There's a death record for Benjamin T.V. Newman from 1871, he must've died right after the census was taken that year. If that's true, then he cannot be the father of Henry, aged 6 in 1881. The plot thickens!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2JJS-YTH

[jomcd967]

Benjamin (Thomas Viallis) Newman married Elizabeth Speed 1863, registered in Medway Kent. GRO indexes give the mothers maiden name of Alfred, William and Eliza as Speed (I didn't check the others), a quick look has a public tree on Ancestry for this family that you could possibly contact for further details.

Jo 

[Malivrag]

The GRO index for Benjamin T.V. Newman's birth gives his mother's maiden name as Kalls. I can't seem to find a Newman-Kalls marriage anywhere. I'm wondering if it's not mispelt somehow.

[amondg]

John Newman married Eliza Vialls 28 June 1832 St Luke Chelsea. witness Thomas Vialls, Harriet Vialls, Sarah (B)?alls

Benjamin Thomas Vialls Newman was born 30 August 1840 baptized 30 September 1840 St Luke Chelsea to John Newman and Eliza.