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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #36 on: Monday 08 January 18 12:08 GMT (UK) »
Ah well done JenB hopefully that will resolve the problem.
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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #37 on: Monday 08 January 18 12:08 GMT (UK) »
The page number on the GRO website shows 164 not 161 (as on freeBMD).

I think in fact the page number on the scan from which freeBMD took the number could well be 164, but its very blurred. A lot of the 4's near the edge of the page look at bit like 1's.
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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #38 on: Monday 08 January 18 12:13 GMT (UK) »
The page number on the GRO website shows 164 not 161 (as on freeBMD).

I think in fact the page number on the scan from which freeBMD took the number could well be 164, but its very blurred. A lot of the 4's near the edge of the page look at bit like 1's.

Thanks Jen I have it now  :)
Probably not her but at least I can eliminate
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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #39 on: Monday 08 January 18 14:27 GMT (UK) »
Just wondering - when did John Morland Turner and Mary Jane marry? I can't seem to find it?

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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #40 on: Monday 08 January 18 14:56 GMT (UK) »
Mary Jane Turner Dec 1909 10a 325
Sunderland
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According to the free index on Durham Records Online this lady lived at 9 Croft Avenue, Sunderland.
She appears on the 1901 census as the wife of Robert Turner (see RG 13 / 4709 / 70 / 21 )
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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #41 on: Monday 08 January 18 16:01 GMT (UK) »
Mary Jane Turner Dec 1909 10a 325
Sunderland
Death index

According to the free index on Durham Records Online this lady lived at 9 Croft Avenue, Sunderland.
She appears on the 1901 census as the wife of Robert Turner (see RG 13 / 4709 / 70 / 21 )

Cool thanks Jen that eliminates that one.
Yes I'll be glad to put them to rest soon lol.
I got to the T&W archives and William Turner ain't in Newcastle so going to Durham Records on Wednesday and hopefully find him buried in Chopwell.
One upside I found John Morland Turner burial plot today at Harelaw Cemetery 😀
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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #42 on: Monday 08 January 18 16:08 GMT (UK) »
I got to the T&W archives and William Turner ain't in Newcastle so going to Durham Records on Wednesday and hopefully find him buried in Chopwell.
One upside I found John Morland Turner burial plot today at Harelaw Cemetery 😀

T & W user guides indicate they’ve got the Chopwell Parish Records, you could have looked at them there rather than going to Durham  :-\

My great grandfather is buried at Hare Law  :)

(Sorry, both off topic I know :-X)
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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #43 on: Monday 08 January 18 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Now then.....these Turners are a right lot!

Northern Echo 19th August 1890
(this follows a report of an assault by another man upon his wife)
........John Turner, a Blacksmith, also living in Hamsterley Colliery, was also accused of committing a similar assault upon his wife, Mary Jane Turner, on August 2nd. Complainant was in a weak and exhausted condition from her husband's ill-usage. Her voice was scarcely above a whisper. The Bench meted out to the defendant (who had absconded), a similar punishment*, granted a separation, and ordered him to pay 6s weekly towards his wife's maintenance.

* which appears to have been 3 months hard labour, then bound over to keep the peace for six months.

So - it looks like they were separated in 1890. This probably accounts for why son William is named head of household in 1891.

Looks like Mary Jane recovered fairly quickly  :-X And John was around fairly quickly as well  :-\

Durham County Advertiser, 19th September 1890.
Mary Jane Taylor of Hamsterley Colliery was charged with threatening to assault Elizabeth Mary Anderson.......Complainant also charged John Turner with using threats against her on the same day, 5th September. The bench.......considered that the cases were trivial and should not have been brought to court. Mary Jane Turner, one of the defendants in the previous case charged Benjamin Roberts, a miner of Hamsterley Colliery, with threatening to kill her on 6th September.....the defendant was bound over to keep the peace.....A charge of  assault brought by the last defendant, Benjamin Roberts, against Wm. Turner, a brother of the complainant in the foregoing case, was dismissed.
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Re: John Turner 1891 Census no trace
« Reply #44 on: Monday 08 January 18 17:40 GMT (UK) »
I got to the T&W archives and William Turner ain't in Newcastle so going to Durham Records on Wednesday and hopefully find him buried in Chopwell.
One upside I found John Morland Turner burial plot today at Harelaw Cemetery 😀

T & W user guides indicate they’ve got the Chopwell Parish Records, you could have looked at them there rather than going to Durham  :-\

My great grandfather is buried at Hare Law  :)

(Sorry, both off topic I know :-X)

Damn,  wish I had realised they had the records
I'll say hello to your GGF I'm having a trip there tomorrow Jen  ;)
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