John and Phillips Morriston

[Cinders59]

Hi.
I am totally stuck. I have traced my JOHN family back to 1843, and my Phillips back to the same date, but I am unable to go back further.
I applied to the Swansea Office for the birth cert for William JOHN, son of Thomas JOHN and Mary ? according to the census records he was born in Morriston in 1843 but his marriage cert states he was 20yrs in 1866.
Swansea could not find a cert for a William with a father named Thomas (c 1808) Mary, his mother was born in Merthyr (c1809)

I also applied for his youngest brothers birth cert a John JOHN b 1849 hoping they would have that, but no luck.

I also applied for Williams's wife's birth cert: Mary Phillips daughter of William Phillips, born in Morriston 1843 according to the census and marriage cert, but again Swansea could not find any matching records.

I have tried looking at the chapel records in Swansea but cannot find any there.
Does anyone have any ideas where I could go from here.

Thanks
Julie

[davidpinkney]

What census returns have you looked at to deduce his mother's name. I can find a similar family but the mothers name is Hannah? I have this family on 1851 and 1861 census. There is a Thomas and Mary on 1841 census but their William is already 9 making him born 1833?

[Cinders59]

Hi David.
I have them on the 1841 census at Morriston piece 1419/02 folio 029 sch 117
and on the 1851 census at Graig Trewyddfa.
but I cannot find the family together or any seperate that I can confirm on the 1861 census records