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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 19 November 17 20:25 GMT (UK) »
(spelling of middle name amended)

Post #1 has the name "Sharif Ahmed Alawi" on it.

I think that the OP (Gaming) needs a translator.

I am not a translator, so I am leaving this topic for othere, until one comes along.

Ray

 
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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 19 November 17 20:27 GMT (UK) »
I'm asking you questions that you, or your father, should at least have an idea about not anything you can find online. So, for the last time...

1) was your father raised in South Shields area, in England or elsewhere?
2) was his mother Mary Jane Williamson?
3) did his father die in 1928?

If you aren't willing to answer questions then I will leave it for others to help.


My father asked me and said yes in the southern armor area South Shields
But he does not know the details

During my research I deduced this
But there are no more details

https://www.ancestry.com/search/?name=chief_ahmed&count=50&location=3257.3250&name_x=_psx&priority=united-kingdom

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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 19 November 17 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Just found an online tree which might explain the confusion over Mary Williamson/Marshall. Her parents are shown to have married after her birth.
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 19 November 17 20:36 GMT (UK) »
I found a document in which he holds British nationality

Is this a cafe I did not understand the written
Can be written in English




This document appears to be an Argentinian seaman’s book, apparently issued by the ship’s captain. No date is shown so I can’t comment on when it was issued but it appears to show that Chief Ahmed joined the vessel SS Twyford at Barry (which is in Wales). It does say that his nationality was British but that document was not issued by a competent British authority and so has no value in terms of proving he was a British citizen. (And you would have to wonder why, if he was a British citizen, he was traveling on an Argentinian document).

So I still see no convincing evidence that your ancestor was a British citizen.
Elwyn


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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 19 November 17 20:48 GMT (UK) »
From the document on Reply #32

On the right side page...

One page to be used for each successive voyage

Name of Steamer...Twyford
Company...Watto Watto ? ? London
Nationality...British
Rating on Board...Donkeyman
Port where signed on...Barry
Engaged for ...Round Voyage
...Indefinitely
Length of Sea Service...7 Years
Member of Crew...Chief Ahmed

Annie

Edit...Had typed it all up i.e. leaving as is as I only got the red message when going to post
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 19 November 17 20:53 GMT (UK) »
From the document on Reply #32

Left side page...

Extract from Argentine Immigration Regulations

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 19 November 17 21:00 GMT (UK) »
I found a document in which he holds British nationality

Is this a cafe I did not understand the written
Can be written in English




This document appears to be an Argentinian seaman’s book, apparently issued by the ship’s captain. No date is shown so I can’t comment on when it was issued but it appears to show that Chief Ahmed joined the vessel SS Twyford at Barry (which is in Wales). It does say that his nationality was British but that document was not issued by a competent British authority and so has no value in terms of proving he was a British citizen. (And you would have to wonder why, if he was a British citizen, he was traveling on an Argentinian document).

So I still see no convincing evidence that your ancestor was a British citizen.




There is a history and knowledge of this document
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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 19 November 17 21:03 GMT (UK) »
Post #1 has the name "Sharif Amed Alawi" on it.

I didn't notice this post earlier but that makes things more confusing?

I don't know what to make of it  ???

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: I have important documents and I want your help
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 19 November 17 21:04 GMT (UK) »
From the document on Reply #32

On the right side page...

One page to be used for each successive voyage

Name of Steamer...Twyford
Company...Watto Watto ? ? London
Nationality...British
Rating on Board...Donkeyman
Port where signed on...Barry
Engaged for ...Round Voyage
...Indefinitely
Length of Sea Service...7 Years
Member of Crew...Chief Ahmed

Annie

Edit...Had typed it all up i.e. leaving as is as I only got the red message when going to post


Thank you for your great effort in translating