trying to find out where my great grandmother Frances Jones was born

[dorothyl]

Hi everyone.
 Thank you for your help. And advice.   I will do that.
 It does make a lot of sence.
 
 I know my grandad was married in Manchester  and he passed away in Manchester. 
 So I think  it's possible  he was born in Manchester.  I only hope  he was.
 And like you   all said  I will just be going round in circles.   
 Thank you again for your help. 
 You all are very helpful.   
I didn't realise that you all are proper family  history researchers.   I only found out this when I read a reply  from  a member of the group.
Thank you again.   I really do appreciate your help. Thank you

[heywood]

It seems the best thing to do Dorothy.
Please come back and let us know when you get the certificate.

[dorothyl]

Hi
Apart from the register office in Manchester.  Where is the other places I can buy my grandads birth certificate?

[rosie99]

From here as a PDF for £6  or £9.25 for a certificate
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Note that a PDF is not a certificate but has exactly the same information it is just not 'printed' on the official paper document

[lancsann]

Just a little tip which might help those of us looking at your post.

When you say eg 'my grandad' it might be helpful if you named him on that post as especially now we are into 5 pages trying to find which post had the name in takes time. People like me can't remember names from one minute to the next if they are not directly linked to ourselves!

Thank you for saying we are 'proper researchers'. Really in general we are people who have been researching our own families for a while and along the way have picked up information on what & where to look for things, as you no doubt will do as you continue.

[dorothyl]

Hi again.
Thank you for your advice.  I wasn't sure  if  I could  put my grandads  name or his details.
My grandad  is Alfred evan Jones. 

I'm beginning to think  it's possible  he was born in England.  And in Manchester  somewhere in Manchester. 
And it is possible  my mum might have got a wrong year. .but has the month and date  wright.

So what I was thinking of doing.  When I go to get my grandads birth certificate  ( Alfred evan Jones ) 
Put born Manchester.  And for the year.  Put   1910 - 1914 what do you think?.

I sent a  email to the registra office in Manchester asking them a question  about  my grandad  having the same surname as his mum and his dad  but his mum wasn't married. And never married.  They rereplied to me and suggested  I contact the Ansetry  people  as they only  issue certificates. 

My grandad  was Alfred Evan Jones.
My great gran  was Frances Jones.
My grandads  father was  called John Jones.
His name is on my grandparents marriage certificate. 
It says fathers surname and rank of profession.   John jones vanman deceased

So how can my grandad. My great gran. And  my grandads father  have the same surname  Jones  if my grandad was born out of wedlock. And his mum wasn't married and never got married. 

It's really confusing.  I really don't understand it at all.  It might help on his birth certificate.
Thank you again for your help
I really do appreciate everyone's help.

[rosie99]

Ignore any name he has given as his father on the marriage certificate, he was probably making it up it happens often on marriages.

[groom]

So what I was thinking of doing.  When I go to get my grandads birth certificate  ( Alfred evan Jones ) 
Put born Manchester.  And for the year.  Put   1910 - 1914 what do you think?.

 

No, Dorothy, they wont issue you one if you do that. You have to state date, district and reference number.  You know the certificate that you want, it was given to you earlier.

ALFRED EVAN JONES
1914  September Quarter
CHORLTON reg dist
Volume 08C  Page 1401   

Have a look at the GRO page  www.gro.gov.uk   that takes you through exactly what you need to do.

[dorothyl]

Hi rosey
 Thank you for your e-mail. 
 I'm  glad you said that. I wasn't sure what to put. I've not done these  before.
I had the same problem  when I was applying for my grandparents marriage certificate.  I had no idea  where they was living or anything.  I just went by my mum's birth certificate.  I got the full copy of that. That's how I found out  my grandad was 19  when he got married to my gran eveline. And she was 24.
Which I found strange.  2 reasons.  1st  she was older than him. I've always thought  men are usually older than women.  And 2nd.  When I wanted to check see if my grans  birth year was  wright.  I did my sums  and it came back  she was born 1909.when she was actually born 1911.  Which is on her death certificate. And my mum told me.
And when I did the same on my grandad.  His year  came back to 1914.
They got married  in  1933
Anyway thank you again for your help and advice.
I wouldn't  have got this far without  this group.  Thank you again .

Dorothy