George NINNIM - WILTSHIRE

[lahpun]

Good morning:
I want to thank you ALL for your efforts in helping me with my research.

As far as getting information from South Australia, their records are not on line as NSW, Tasmania  and Qld are.  All the others charge to provide historical records and as Keyboard says they may not be the family I am seeking.

May I ask you all where you come from - I am from Queensland.

I WOULD LIKE TO WISH YOU ALL A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A SAFE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR AND MAY 2018 BRING YOU ALL THAT YOU WISH FOR. 

It is with the help of people like yourselves that we who have no access to English records are able to find our Ancestors.

Thanks again
Lesley

[lahpun]

Hello again ALL,
I am getting my ducks in a row, so to speak, and wondered if someone could tell me what I have -

I have two prints from census'  -  one being the information which susz gave me showing James Kaye, Harriet and David 8 months -  it is the 1871 census I think.  RG 10/3761
The other shows James Kaye, Harriet, Hannah 9, George 4, William 2, Walter 4 months I think and Lily I cant read her age.  RG11/3660 or RG 13/3468.   What year is this census?

As David is not on the later census did he die? If yes, when and where.

In the later census there is no Edith Adelaide Kaye whom I know is her sister as she came to Australia also.  I am assuming the second one is 1881 as Hannah is only 9.

Was there an 1891 and 1901 census and was this family on both.  Where is this family then as one of you told me Harriet and James died in 1902 and 1905.

I looked at the freebdm's and found a David was born Sept. qtr of 1870 - 8b 18 and also a David James in March qtr in 1870 at Lambeth - 1d 381.

I then found a death for a David Kaye in June qtr 1871 at Liverpool 0 age
and a David James died in March 1871 St Saviour - 1d 114

Do your records show the parents names as well?  free bdm's don't.

Hoping you can help

Lesley


 

[KGarrad]

TNA Classes for Censuses:

HO107 - used for both 1841 and 1851
RG09 - 1861
RG10 - 1871
RG11 - 1881
RG12 - 1891
RG13 - 1901
RG14 - 1911

HO - Home Office files
RG - Registrar General files

[lahpun]

K.Garrard:  You state that RG11 is 1881 and RG13 is 1901.  Does that mean that the same information is on two different years?   Sorry I am a bit dense when it comes to these census'.  How can one sheet have two numbers?  Appreciate your advice.
Lesley

[KGarrad]

The full reference from The National Archives consists of:

Class - HO107, or RG09-14 as I detailed before
Piece Number
Folio Number
Page number

The full reference contains all 4 of these, and should be quoted when referring to a particular census page.

It's a bit like looking at 2 different books? Chapter 3, page 37 will likely occur in both books, but will be completely different!

[keyboard86]

Hi when/where do you have the birth for Edith Adelaide Kaye, whose sister was she?
Lily in 1881 census was 4 months so Walter was a twin ( Their is a death of a Walter Kaye Sept qtr 1881 West Derby aged 9 months) in 1891 census only new addition to family is a John aged 4 b Liverpool Census ref RG12/2905/121/7, in 1901 household other than James 65 Harriet 57 are George 24 and John 14
Census ref RG13/3468/151/17
Keyboard86

Lesley, just work on the fact at each subsequent census, they will be 10 years (Approx) older?

PS The only Edith Adelaide Kaye in the UK in the time scale was born 1868 Poplar as Edith Adelaide Isabella Kaye and ends up in America, their is from a tree an Edith Adelaide Kaye b 1874 Australia?

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

Going back to George and Sophia NINNIM I agree with keyboard86 that the Charles who dies in 1857 is the husband of Sophia, father of George etc.  I found this burial record which gives his age as 60.

Burial
Charles NINNIM
Burial Date:  20 Jun 1857
Burial Place:  Whiteparish, Wiltshire
Age:  60


I'm not sure if you know that Charles and Sophia had children before Arthur,

Baptisms

Charles
Baptism Date:  08 Feb 1824
Baptism Place:  Whiteparish, Wiltshire
son of Charles & Sophia NINIM
Cooper


Mary Ann
Date of Birth:  13 Jan 1825
Baptism Date:  22 Aug 1830
Baptism Place:  Whiteparish, Wiltshire
Dau of Charles & Sophia NINNIM
Cooper by Trade


Ann Maria
Birth Date:  13 Jan 1825
Baptism Date:  22 Aug 1830
Baptism Place:  Whiteparish, Wiltshire
Dau of Charles & Sophia NINNIM
Cooper by Trade

These twin girls were baptised on the same day as Arthur.


I can't see Charles Jun. in 1841 but this could be his death,

Death
Charles NINNIM    Dec Q 1848    Alderbury Union    08  160
Age:  25     

Burial
Charles NINNIM
Burial Date:  10 Dec 1848
Burial Place:  Whiteparish, Wiltshire
Age:  25


Wiltshire Independent 14 December 1848
Dec 4, at Whiteparish after a protracted illness, borne with Christian fortitude, Charles NIMMIN aged 25 years.


Regards,
Daisy

[keyboard86]

Hi again, re those two trees on Anc**** both have George & Arthur linked to Charles/Sophia ( Very suspect in some cases) but surely in the case of Arthur, the marriage to Sarah Vowell must show parentage and define if indeed at least he went to Australia?
Those two deaths on same day/date/year must be somewhere on a record/newspaper article?
Keyboard86

[Daisypetal]

This looks like some of the family going to Australia in 1853,

First Mary Ann marries a James WATKIN,

Marriage
Mary Ann NINNIM    Dec Q 1852    Alderbury    5a  378
James WATKIN


Married in the Parish Church of Whiteparish
Dec 25th 1852

James WATKIN
Of Full Age
Bachelor
Tailor
Of this parish
Father:  Thomas WATKIN,  Clerk

Mary NINNIM
Of Full Age
Spinster
Of this parish
Father:  Charles NINNIM, Cooper

Both signed

Witnesses:  Arthur HAYTER, Sarah ARNEY



The "South Australia, Australia, Passenger Lists, 1853" at Ancestry shows a page from the South Australian Government Gazette dated 01 Sept 1853, which includes this info,

Ship: Magdalena

Single Emigrants
Jane NINEM
Ann Maria NINNEM

Married Emigrants
WATKINS James & Mary Ann


Images available here on pages 577 and 579

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/other/sa_gazette/1853/35.pdf



You can see an alternative list at Trove here,

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l4i/


Daisy