Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not

[DavyTee68]

Thank you, Jen.
It is indeed persistence. I think this one has had all of us totally gripped (obsessed?)

Davy, yes, it won't be Martha junior. Is there another Martha somewhere in the family? It could all be a fantastic coincidence, but then what happened to the widowed Martha after Jacob died?
What we do know is that a Martha Coulthard married a James Brown in 1918. Which may be one  coincidence too many? Because there weren't lots and lots of people with that name.

Unless someone has a brainwave, it may come down to getting that marriage certificate.

The other thing is - if it is your Martha, then either she was a bigamist, or William Turner died before 1913!
John

It all makes total sense John
William dies or leaves pre 1913. Martha marries Jacob who is now stepfather to my GF William who's only ten year old so when he says his father dies in WW1 then that fits. Martha then marries James Brown after the war and later on 1931  Martha jnr is living with them as Martha Bell as she married Louis Bell.
If Jacob was a miner then that would follow the story of my GF saying he had to go down the mines

Added: sorry Groom we posted at the same time with the same conclusion didn't see

[DavyTee68]

Wow, John that's a great find.

So if I've followed it correctly, it's looking at the moment as if William either died or left between 1908 and 1911, Martha married Jacob Coultard in 1913 and he was killed in 1915. That would make perfect sense as unless she married soon after she met him, her children would have known him for at least 4 years, so possibly called him Dad.

Agreed

[JenB]

Guess it's time to give up on William Turner. All avenues have been exhausted.

Oh no they haven’t 

[JenB]

Seemingly the only other possible death registration before then, other than the eliminated Lanchester one, looks to be
Dec 1910, Newcastle upon Tyne, William Turner, age 46

Maybe it’s time to think again about this death in Newcastle 

[groom]

Seemingly the only other possible death registration before then, other than the eliminated Lanchester one, looks to be
Dec 1910, Newcastle upon Tyne, William Turner, age 46

Maybe it’s time to think again about this death in Newcastle 

Remember that deaths were recorded where the person died, not where they lived - could he have died in a hospital in Newcastle? How far are we talking about from where he was living?

[DavyTee68]

Guess it's time to give up on William Turner. All avenues have been exhausted.

Oh no they haven’t 

I know Jen I'm a natural born pessimist.
Like I said earlier everyone has been amazing on here

[DavyTee68]

Seemingly the only other possible death registration before then, other than the eliminated Lanchester one, looks to be
Dec 1910, Newcastle upon Tyne, William Turner, age 46

Maybe it’s time to think again about this death in Newcastle 

Remember that deaths were recorded where the person died, not where they lived - could he have died in a hospital in Newcastle? How far are we talking about from where he was living?

10 mlies approx

Update: i was close its 13 miles by road

[JenB]

Seemingly the only other possible death registration before then, other than the eliminated Lanchester one, looks to be
Dec 1910, Newcastle upon Tyne, William Turner, age 46

Maybe it’s time to think again about this death in Newcastle 

Remember that deaths were recorded where the person died, not where they lived - could he have died in a hospital in Newcastle? How far are we talking about from where he was living?

I think the possibility of him being in hospital, perhaps the RVI, was discussed earlier.

[DavyTee68]

Seemingly the only other possible death registration before then, other than the eliminated Lanchester one, looks to be
Dec 1910, Newcastle upon Tyne, William Turner, age 46

Maybe it’s time to think again about this death in Newcastle 

Remember that deaths were recorded where the person died, not where they lived - could he have died in a hospital in Newcastle? How far are we talking about from where he was living?

I think the possibility of him being in hospital, perhaps the RVI, was discussed earlier.

 

It was Jen but I don't think we took it further.
Would the death cert reveal any clues though as it will only mention who ever the witness was with him at the time ?