Hepplewhite family

[chempat]

Which census has him born in another country?

Added:
OK, the 1881 census.

But 1891, 1901 and 1871 on a quick look have Benwell or around. 

Think the enumerator could not read his own writing and wrote up incorrectly on the copy that we can see.

His job varies through the censuses.

[tjh1989]

Which census has him born in another country?

Added:
OK, the 1881 census.

But 1891, 1901 and 1871 on a quick look have Benwell or around. 

Think the enumerator could not read his own writing and wrote up incorrectly on the copy that we can see.

His job varies through the censuses.

Yeh, I think he seems to flirt between gamekeeper and a coalminer. This does cause me a little concern but I can't see anyone else who it could be.

[Daisypetal]

I'm trying to find out who the niece Frances THOMPSON in 1881 belongs to, that might help confirm it.

In 1891 I think she is living with Isabella's half brother William Reather HOLMES b.1840. There is another THOMPSON nephew and niece with them. 1891  RG12/4076  f.94  p.39.

[chempat]

This could be Frances:
 Frances Annie Thompson  mmn Holmes  birth March quarter 1874 in Durham

John George (with Frances in 1891)
John George Thompson  mmn Holmes birth December quarter 1864 in Hexham

with John George in 1881 is Joseph
Joseph Thompson  mmn Holmes  birth December quarter 1866 in Hexham

also in 1881 is Sarah A
Sarah Ann Thompson  mmn Holmes  birth March quarter 1869 in Hexham

[Daisypetal]

There are a lot of THOMPSON mmn HOLMES births in Durham around that time aren't there

I think that the Frances Annie birth in 1874 would make her too young for the Frances age d 9 in 1881 (niece) and could belong to this couple instead,


William Willis THOMPSON    Dec Q 1870    Durham    10a 517
Elizabeth HOLMES

They are here in Willington in 1871 and in West Auckland in 1881  RG11/4926  f.68  p.68 with Frances Ann age 7 showing as born in Willington which was in Durham registration district



I think the births for the other children are right and here are their baptisms,


John George THOMPSON
25 December 1864


Joseph THOMPSON
4 November 1866


Sarah Ann THOMSON
27 December 1868

All baptised in Huntstanworth, Durham with parents Joseph and Frances.


There is also this one which I think could be the right Frances but I cannot find a birth for her,

Frances THOMPSON
30 July 1871


The family are living Hexham registration district in a New Cottage in Newbiggin in 1871  RG10/5142  f.9  p.12 . The description of the district is,
 
"Blanchland Chapelry,
All that remaining of the Blanchland from and including Shildon, Fellgrove, Penny-Pie-House, Birkside, Burnshield-Haugh & Bay Bridge.
The whole of the township of Newbiggin including Newbiggin Hall and Newbiggin Hope, Embley? ?ei?ly,
Gingles Haugh, and all the those New Cottages near BayBridge"



I mention this because Frances b.1871 gives her POB as Bay Bridge in 1881 and Bay Bridge in 1891. (Transcribed a Banbridge at Ancestry). The other children say Newbiggin in 1871 and Blanchland in 1881.


Hunstanworth is about 2 1/2 mile from there so maybe the nearest church?

[Daisypetal]

Hi again

In 1841 there is a Francis (image shows female) HOLMES age 4 living in the same household as John, Henrietta, Isabella etc.  In 1861 she is shown as Fanney HOLMES  b.1837 Stanhope, Durham a daughter of John and Henrietta HOLMES.

In 1851 she is Frances b.1837 Stanhope, Durham, shown as niece to John and Jane MADDISON, their children born after 1837 show mmn as GLEASON.


There are some online trees that show John MADDISON married Jane GLEASON in 1835 in St John's Chapel, Durham and that John HOLMES married Sarah GLEASON in 31 MARCH 1832 St. Johns Chapel, Weardale. The two women being sisters. I think it's always best to use this info as a hint then check it for yourself


I can't get full info but there does seem good possibilities to confirm these marriages using Durham Records Online, a John MADDISON gets married in Weardale in 1835 as does a Jane GLEASON and a John HOLMES abode Chester-Le-Street gets married in Weardale in 1832 as does a Sarah GLEESTON.

Frances/Fanney could be the daughter of John and Sarah,

Durham Records Online
1837  Weardale   
Fanny HOLMES 
POB:  Shittlehopeburn

Ancestry
Fanny HOLMES
Baptism Date:  12 Feb 1837
Baptism Place:  Stanhope, Durham
Parents:  John & Sarah 


There is this burial which could be Sarah,

Durham Records Online
1837  Weardale
Sarah HOLMES
Birth year:  abt 1814
Abode:  Shittlehopeburn, Stanhope


Ancestry/Findagrave
Sarah HOLMES   
May 1837 
Burial  St John the Baptist Churchyard, St Johns Chapel, Durham


Then John HOLMES marries Henrietta ROBINSON nee. REATHER.



So my theory is that Frances/Fanney HOLMES b.1837 to John HOLMES and Sarah GLEASON marries Joseph THOMPSON in 1862,


Joseph THOMPSON    Dec Q 1862    Weardale    10a  342
Fanny HOLMES


and it is their daughter Frances THOMPSON b.1871 that is the niece of Robert and Isabella HEPPLEWHITE  in 1881 as Frances HOLMES b.1837 was a half-sister to Isabella HEPPLEWHITE nee ROBINSON


OK now my eyes are doing this , I think I'll go now 

Regards,
Daisy

[tjh1989]

Hi again

In 1841 there is a Francis (image shows female) HOLMES age 4 living in the same household as John, Henrietta, Isabella etc.  In 1861 she is shown as Fanney HOLMES  b.1837 Stanhope, Durham a daughter of John and Henrietta HOLMES.

In 1851 she is Frances b.1837 Stanhope, Durham, shown as niece to John and Jane MADDISON, their children born after 1837 show mmn as GLEASON.


There are some online trees that show John MADDISON married Jane GLEASON in 1835 in St John's Chapel, Durham and that John HOLMES married Sarah GLEASON in 31 MARCH 1832 St. Johns Chapel, Weardale. The two women being sisters. I think it's always best to use this info as a hint then check it for yourself


I can't get full info but there does seem good possibilities to confirm these marriages using Durham Records Online, a John MADDISON gets married in Weardale in 1835 as does a Jane GLEASON and a John HOLMES abode Chester-Le-Street gets married in Weardale in 1832 as does a Sarah GLEESTON.

Frances/Fanney could be the daughter of John and Sarah,

Durham Records Online
1837  Weardale   
Fanny HOLMES 
POB:  Shittlehopeburn

Ancestry
Fanny HOLMES
Baptism Date:  12 Feb 1837
Baptism Place:  Stanhope, Durham
Parents:  John & Sarah 


There is this burial which could be Sarah,

Durham Records Online
1837  Weardale
Sarah HOLMES
Birth year:  abt 1814
Abode:  Shittlehopeburn, Stanhope


Ancestry/Findagrave
Sarah HOLMES   
May 1837 
Burial  St John the Baptist Churchyard, St Johns Chapel, Durham


Then John HOLMES marries Henrietta ROBINSON nee. REATHER.



So my theory is that Frances/Fanney HOLMES b.1837 to John HOLMES and Sarah GLEASON marries Joseph THOMPSON in 1862,


Joseph THOMPSON    Dec Q 1862    Weardale    10a  342
Fanny HOLMES


and it is their daughter Frances THOMPSON b.1871 that is the niece of Robert and Isabella HEPPLEWHITE  in 1881 as Frances HOLMES b.1837 was a half-sister to Isabella HEPPLEWHITE nee ROBINSON


OK now my eyes are doing this , I think I'll go now 

Regards,
Daisy

Wow, that's really impressive! Thanks for all your help, it really is appreciated.

[chempat]

I agree that the Frances Thompson birth is very suspect, but was the only one around so considered that the census could be wrong, as a niece not a daughter.

So we are still missing her birth in 1871?

[Daisypetal]

I think we are 

The Frances who is a niece to Robert and Isabella HEPPLEWHITE in 1881 gives her POB as Bay Bridge which is where Joseph and Fanny THOMPSON are living in 1871 with their other children (John George, Joseph and Sarah Ann) whose births you found in Hexham.

The baptism I found,

Frances THOMPSON
30 July 1871
Huntstanworth, Durham
Parents:  Joseph and Frances

matches the other children.


It looks like Frances marries Charles JENNISON in 1896,


10 Oct 1896
St. Anne's Church, St. Andrew's Parish, Auckland, Durham

Frances THOMPSON
Single
Age:  24
Father:  Jos THOMPSON   

Spouse: Charles JENNISON
Single
Age:  21
Father:  William JENNISON 


In 1901 she is 28 gives her POB as Bay Bridge, in 1911 she is 39 and her POB is unknown.


I'm starting to wonder if she was taken in by Joseph and Frances as a baby maybe a relative or just a friend's baby.