Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?

[FamilyPhotoReunion]

The photographs are not arranged in any chronological order, nor do they appear to be grouped according to families or location. It could be that they were mixed up over the years. I don't think that this album belonged to Lord Cecil, or his immediate family necessarily. It could have easily been someone who was connected, even very distantly. There are a couple of obviously "royal" images in the bunch, one of "Royal Group at Dumlanrig Castle, October 1869" that included Prince & Princess Christian, E. Schulz, Sackville Stopford, Esq., Lady Marsham, Edward Balfour, Earl of Dalkeith, Mrs. George Grant Gordon, Miss Thynne..., Duke of Buccleuch, etc.  Another is a cdv image of Queen Alexandra (then Princess of Wales), taken by Mayall in Nov 1862. I found a copy of this one at the National Portrait Gallery. Mine differs slightly from the one at NPG, mine does not have the imprint H.R.H Princess of Wales on it, and the photographer's location is given as "London & Brighton" not "244 Regent Street."

https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw130425/Queen-Alexandra?LinkID=mp00072&search=sas&sText=Queen+Alexandra&wPage=1&role=sit&rNo=37

[BushInn1746]

Hello

1b. Lord Arthur Cecil (The Mount, Lymington, Hampshire), b. 3rd July 1851 ;
First m. 8th January 1874, Elizabeth Ann da. of Joseph Wilson of Woodhorn Manor, d. 11th October 1901 ;
Secondly, 4th November 1902, Baroness Frederica da. of Otto Baron von Klenck [Austria]; and has issue 1c to 2c.
1c. Arthur William James Cecil, Lieut Grenadier Guards, b. 4th April 1875.
2c. Reginald Edward Cecil, Capt. 21st Lancers, born 15th November 1878; m. 1st February 1902, Mary Beatrice da. of Henry Drayton Pilcher ; and has issue 1d.
1d. Margaret Mary Cecil, b. 21st July 1903.
2b. Lady Margaret Elizabeth Cecil (Oakdown, Burwash), b. 30th October 1854.
 ...

Details here, pages 224 & 223
https://archive.org/stream/plantagenetrollo00ruvi


The Mount, Lymington, Hampshire was put on the property market by Lady Arthur Cecil, Sale date advertised was 30th October 1919, but I cannot find a photo  .

The house was situated 2 miles from Lymington Town and 3 miles from Brockenhurst Junction, (Railway).

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Not the house, but:-
The Mount, Bishopstoke (different address), is a similar style (tall chimneys & Bays), but definitely not your photo.

Mark

[artifis]

The feature on the end of the 'orangery' appears to be hollow, just a surround to make a decorative feature, leastways however I tweak the photo I can't see anything other than the same white colour as the roof of the 'orangery'.

The gable end has looped decorative features and no crest that I can see.  The recessed square above it might contain something but it's too indistinct to make out anything other than some fuzziness.

[BushInn1746]

Here is some more on the family history.

Lord Arthur Cecil was the Son of Lord Salisbury by his second marriage to Lady Mary Sackville West. See the reference to Earl of Derby.

I also noticed in the newspapers the Cecil family had a link to a farmhouse in the Weald built by Derby.

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Reginald Edward Cecil of Passford, Lymington (re amounts left 1932).


An Alliance Between Cecil and Wortley reported 1906
Arthur William James Cecil married Miss Beatrice Stuart Wortley.

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There is a claim here that Cecil was also part of the Exeter family ...

Passford, Lymington

Passford House Hotel may be close to the action, but when you first set eyes on this 16th Century house, you will be struck by the peace and tranquillity to be found in this quiet corner of England.

Passford House was formerly the home of Lord and Lady Arthur Cecil, Queen Victoria’s private secretary. The Cecil family being part of the Exeter and Salisbury families.

Lord and Lady Arthur Cecil were here until 1939 when they moved to Cranbourne in Dorset.

http://www.passfordhousehotel.co.uk/about-us/

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The house might be anywhere, the Cecil family had plenty of links to Nobility and Gentry.

Mark

[JenB]

The Mount, Lymington, Hampshire was put on the property market by Lady Arthur Cecil, Sale date advertised was 30th October 1919, but I cannot find a photo  .

The house was situated 2 miles from Lymington Town and 3 miles from Brockenhurst Junction, (Railway).

The Mount, Lymington is now Passford House Hotel.

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=50.7783&lon=-1.5755&layers=6&right=BingHyb

https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/430053/97696/12/100642
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/430053/97696/10/101320

https://www.thenewforest.co.uk/accommodation/passford-house-hotel-p778891

I can't see any resemblance.

[JenB]

Passford House Hotel may be close to the action, but when you first set eyes on this 16th Century house, you will be struck by the peace and tranquillity to be found in this quiet corner of England.

Passford House was formerly the home of Lord and Lady Arthur Cecil, Queen Victoria’s private secretary. The Cecil family being part of the Exeter and Salisbury families.

I see you edited this in after I posted about the hotel. You have made my posting look rather silly.

Added: now you have edited more in.

[BushInn1746]

Hello Jen

I agree, I cannot see a resemblance either to the original poster's photo and Passford House, Lymington, occupied by the Son of Lord Arthur Cecil, when he died.

I did add some information about Passford House now being a hotel, to keep it together with the 1932 image originally posted which accompanied the reference to Reginald Edward Cecil of Passford, Lymington and his Will (the amount he left) reported 1932.


Lady Margaret Elizabeth Cecil, Oakdown, Burwash. The Marquis of Salisbury, d. 1868, and the Lady Mary married July 5th, 1870, Edward Henry, fifteenth Earl of Derby. She died at Holwood, Kent, 1899, and by her will left £1,300 towards the support of the alms-houses in this parish, which she had for many years partly maintained.

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028282154#page/n335/mode/2up/search/Burwash

By the way I am not saying it is Oakdown, Burwash, either.

But handy to find each Cecil (and possibly related family) residence and rule them out.

Mark

[trish18]

I think the photograph is of 'Poltalloch House', Argyll, Scotland.

Poltalloch house was built by William Burn between 1849 and 1853 as a new seat for the Malcolm family who had long held the lands of Poltalloch. Now a ruin.

https://canmore.org.uk/collection/573397

https://holeousia.com/time-passes-listen/ruins/poltalloch/

Regards

Trish

[arthurk]

Yes it is - Trish, I am hugely impressed! Do tell us how you found it, please.

Meanwhile, some more pictures:

https://www.thecastlesofscotland.co.uk/the-best-castles/other-articles/poltalloch/

A whole selection here (Trish also found this site):
https://canmore.org.uk/site/39528/poltalloch-house-and-gardens?display=image&per_page=41

I thought this one might be closest to our original:
https://canmore.org.uk/collection/558813