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Drawn a blank 1790 - Phillip PICKLES, Bury
« on: Sunday 11 February 18 14:35 GMT (UK) »
I have resumed by family history search after some time and managed to get back to the birth of my relative, Phillip PICKLES in 1790, I believe, at Bury, Lancs. I have also confirmed:
Wedding Banns at Halifax 1811 (Spouse Ellen Holme, Bury) (Spells his name Philip Pickels)
Marriage at St Peters Church, Bolton-le-Moor [Bolton]
Census, Bury 1841
Burial Wesleyan Methodist Church, Union St, Bury 1849
I can show three of his relatives forward of 1815, Alice, Phillip and John.
My "newby untrained" question is - how to I push this backwards now? How do I find his parents and what other children he may have had? I have registered for assorted commercial websites with little success. I have tried LancashireBMD & lan-opc but am spiralling round in circles. I'm more than happy to do the work, but am clueless as to how to dig back further.
Is there any kind soul who can give me a nudge in the right direction please?
Many thanks in anticipation, Greg  :)

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Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 February 18 15:14 GMT (UK) »
Hello and Welcome to Rootschat  :)

For others looking who might be able to offer further assistance

Is this the family on the 1841 census?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQL5-93Y
Kings St. 1, Bury Lancashire
Philip PICKLES 50 Moulder
Ellen 55
Alice 30
Philip 7
Rachel Duckworth 25
all noted as born in this county

Might this be a child of Phillip & Ellen's

Joshua Pickles born 24 Mar
parents Philip Pickles ,Ellen Pickles, of the Parish of Halifax
Baptism 16 May 1813 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Denomination:   Wesleyan
Piece Title:   Piece 3694: Sheffield, Whichfield Chapel, Halifax, (Wesleyan), 1807-1837
from England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970

Edit~

I have also confirmed:
Wedding Banns at Halifax 1811 (Spouse Ellen Holme, Bury) (Spells his name Philip Pickels)
Marriage at St Peters Church, Bolton-le-Moor [Bolton]
Census, Bury 1841

Do you know the name of Ellen's parents ?
Sometimes naming patterns can be found within the family






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Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 February 18 15:31 GMT (UK) »
1851 census shows another son with his widow mother, William born c1812

1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5N-F17
King Street
Ellen Pickles wid           70   Bolton, Lancashire
Alice Holme  Daughter   39   Bolton, Lancashire
Philip Pickles   Grand Son      15   Bolton, Lancashire
Susan Pickles   Grand Daughter   4   Bury, Lancashire
William Pickles   Son           39   Bolton, Lancashire

Is this the baptism of Phillip Pickles age 7 from 1841 c?

Philip Parkinson Or Pickles born 9th July
Christening Date (Original)   27 JUL 1834 Saint Mary, Bury ,Lancashire
Father's Name:   John Parkinson Mother's Name:   Alice Pickles
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3NG-NXG



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Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 February 18 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ladyhawk. I think that you are correct with Joshua. All the information fits, as do the dates and occupation.
The Phillip that you identify, I think is a grandson, but I have found what I believe to be Phillip the son age 7 years from the 1841 census.
I tried Ellen for any family, but as yet, I'm struggling. I'm sure that you know the feeling better than me, but my head is swimming at the minute. I need to get my scrawled notes in some sort of order. but - bright side - I'm learning all the time. Thanks for your help. :)


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Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 February 18 14:46 GMT (UK) »
Philip signed his marriage licence as Pickels - he was of the parish of Halifax occ Iron Moulder and a Bachelor.  Ellen Holmes of the parish of Bolton, Lancaster was a Widow
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Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 February 18 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Philip PIGHLES christened 4 September 1791, Bradford, Yorkshire.
Father JOSHUA Pighles
(Source Familysearch.Org)

EDIT;
The entry above is also on FreeREG;
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HANNAH Pighles 30 Dec 1792, abode Halifax Par (presume Parish),  Father Joshua
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Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 February 18 18:39 GMT (UK) »
Hello and Welcome to Rootschat  :)

For others looking who might be able to offer further assistance

Is this the family on the 1841 census?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQL5-93Y
Kings St. 1, Bury Lancashire
Philip PICKLES 50 Moulder
Ellen 55
Alice 30
Philip 7
Rachel Duckworth 25
all noted as born in this county

Might this be a child of Phillip & Ellen's:
Joshua Pickles born 24 Mar
parents Philip Pickles ,Ellen Pickles, of the Parish of Halifax
Baptism 16 May 1813 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Denomination:   Wesleyan
Piece Title:   Piece 3694: Sheffield, Whichfield Chapel, Halifax, (Wesleyan), 1807-1837
from England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Edit~
I have also confirmed:
Wedding Banns at Halifax 1811 (Spouse Ellen Holme, Bury) (Spells his name Philip Pickels)
Marriage at St Peters Church, Bolton-le-Moor [Bolton]
Census, Bury 1841
Do you know the name of Ellen's parents ?
Sometimes naming patterns can be found within the family

- HI, THANKS FOR THAT. ALL CONFIRMEDAS IS JOSHUA.
- Philip Parkinson Or Pickles born 9th July IS AN INTERESTING FIND. I SHALL EXPLORE THAT FURTHER.

Philip PIGHLES christened 4 September 1791, Bradford, Yorkshire.
Father JOSHUA Pighles
(Source Familysearch.Org)

EDIT;
The entry above is also on FreeREG;
+
HANNAH Pighles 30 Dec 1792, abode Halifax Par (presume Parish),  Father Joshua

- PIGHLES MAY WELL EXPLAIN WHY I CANNOT FIND ANYTHING BEFORE THW TWO I HAVE MENTIONED. THE DISTRICT OF SHELF THAT I MENTION LIES HALF WAY BETWEEN BRADFORD AND HALIFAX AND IS MENTIONED IN BOTH PARISHES. I AM LIVING IN HOPE EHER. MANY THANKS. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE HELP. I HOPE THAT I CAN PAY IT FORWARD SOME DAY. :-)

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Re: DRAWN A BLANK 1790 - PHILLIP PICKLES, BURY
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 February 18 19:16 GMT (UK) »
Philip PIGHLES christened 4 September 1791, Bradford, Yorkshire.
Father JOSHUA Pighles
(Source Familysearch.Org)

EDIT;
The entry above is also on FreeREG;
+
HANNAH Pighles 30 Dec 1792, abode Halifax Par (presume Parish),  Father Joshua

For info. The above baptism record can also be found on Anc*y
West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812

Philip s of Joshua Pighles of Shelf
4 Sep 1791 Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral), Yorkshire

25 Dec 1792
Hannah  d of Joshua Pighles of Parish Halifax

1 Jan 1795
William  s of Joshua Pighles of Shelf

There are also these baptisms father's name Joshua

Dec 1796
Betty d of Joshua & Susie? Pighles of Clayton

3 Mar 1805
Sarah  d of Joshua Pighles of Clayton Weaver


Joshua Pighles
Susey Bottomley
Marriage Banns Date:   25 Apr 1791
Marriage Banns Place:   Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral), Yorkshire,

Banns read 10, 17, 24th
the said Joshua of this Parish Weaver and Susey of  this Parish
married in this Church by Banns on this Twenty fifth Day of April 1791
he signed his name Joshua Pickles, she made her mark (x)
in the presence of Samuel Yeadon & Martha Killerby (x) her mark





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